What is it about art that moves you?

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April 22, 2009

What is it about art that moves you?
How does it move you, and where in your body, mind, heart, spirit, soul or other place that I've not mentioned?
How do you as an artist work to create moving experiences in another's existence or experience?
How does art that you have seen help in your own development?
How does art you have created help in other's development and evolution?
How can art aid in our own collective Grand Evolution Adventure called Life?

Big questions!

Bruce
www.biroz.net

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Thanks for creating this group Bruce.. guess I'll do my part to get a discussion going

What is it about art that moves you?

Different art moves me different ways... I guess I can say that for all art that it's something that just has that taste, of being something novel and something that makes me look twice.

How does it move you, and where in your body, mind, heart, spirit, soul or other place that I've not mentioned?

Mostly it hits me in the body... in the big toe. Oh yeah.

But naa, I probably have a special part of my brain dedicated to it, just not sure where that is exactly.

How do you as an artist work to create moving experiences in another's existence or experience?

I like to create eye candy... and at the same time give people more for their mind to digest. I want to create something that completely amazes, in terms of being weird, and being visually rich.

How does art that you have seen help in your own development?

I like to absorb everything like a sponge... I guess my favorite artists are those that have already done something very similar to what I want to do.

how does art you have created help in other's development and evolution?

I don't really know that it does. Certainly would be great

How can art aid in our own collective Grand Evolution Adventure called Life?

I think it can aid us economically, by creating more social capital and adding to the value of our society and the richness of our ecosytem- in a way that is very easy on natural resources (resource stretching).

I also believe it can be sort of a training wheels for the kind of social interaction that we need to really evolve (though I'm not sure if I want to use that word). Of course I think we all have different ideas about evolution (at least I hope we do).

Art is pretty good news in general, I think. But like any other creation of man it exists in a continuum where it matters how we use it or it uses us. Or even how we let it be.

Cheers,

Meade

Answers..

thanks for the invite Bruce! and also I check out your website, I dig your work.

"What is it about art that moves you?"

What moves me is the Event of making the work, and I could care less about the 'thing' as artifact. I am moved by the isomorphic happening between the painter's consciousness and the painted thing: if one recognizes this relationship as one of mutual creativity, a road opens up and expands outward. One quickly realizes that it is cosmic creativity - you are the vessel that constructs novelty.

"How does it move you, and where in your body, mind, heart, spirit, soul or other place that I've not mentioned?"

I suppose it is a quest to have it move you in body, mind, heart, spirit and soul all simultaneously. The reality of it, however, is a movement in the body and mind - a movement between the hand and the concept. Perhaps if one is attentive, and this seems the primary goal for me, it will open up to the spirit and the soul.

"How do you as an artist work to create moving experiences in another's existence or experience?"

I am merely the maker of images and objects, illusions really, and for this I am a criminal. I believe images and things cannot aid in any Deep experience, but only surface movements. If I move others it is out of a hope that the viewer is not taken away too much with the symbolic world of signs and gestures I have created. A moving experience to me would be seeing past all that: to move someone's existence the image must speak to what is outside, the realm of the Real that no image can capture. ...of course I have failed at this, so far.

"How does art that you have seen help in your own development?"

Wassily Kandinsky's art and his text "The Spiritual in Art," aided in my viewing painting not as a set of plastic rhymes but as a means of exploring an inward journey. And of course I am moved by the Visionay and Fantastic painters like Ernst Fuchs, Mati Klarwein, Alex Grey, and Robert Venosa - the latter I met at an Entheon event in 2006, and it was a very inspiring experience.

"How does art you have created help in other's development and evolution?"

Even though I recommend the creative Event of making a work of art, I am hesitant to believe that "art" can help in development and evolution because at this point in the history of art it has become another object among objects - a mere commodity. In my opinion the painted "thing" as artifact cannot really help, since what really matters is the movement of creativity. The movement of creativity is what can facilitate, since it opens up new boundaries and helps us evolve.

If my paintings have helped in 'development', perhaps it is because I have attempted to make a painting not merely exist as an object among objects, not just a pretty thing hung on a wall. I refuse to show in galleries, and only show at events, psy-trance gatherings or whatever, settings where I attempt to place it in the middle of an art-happening where the painting is a "one-off" totem object at the center of ritual.

"How can art aid in our own collective Grand Evolution Adventure called Life?"

That is a big question and I don't know the answer....Perhaps one should again ask, "what about art moves you?" Empowering the isomorphic happening between the painter's consciousness and the painted thing is what moves me, and this is a metaphor for the happening between the Subject and the Object. A Compassionate movement between the I and the It could bring about an upgrade in the We, a collective upgrade of new operating systems and parameters of understanding.

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What moves me is the Event of making the work, and I could care less about the 'thing' as artifact. I am moved by the isomorphic happening between the painter's consciousness and the painted thing: if one recognizes this relationship as one of mutual creativity, a road opens up and expands outward. One quickly realizes that it is cosmic creativity - you are the vessel that constructs novelty.

I'm not sure if I can really distinguish between the event and the thing. For me a painting is an event just as much as the tone of a musician holding in the air... it's a slow-moving pattern in matter, the fact that it looks solid is more of an illusion. If time ran faster for us we'd see it as an event.

I am merely the maker of images and objects, illusions really, and for this I am a criminal. I believe images and things cannot aid in any Deep experience, but only surface movements.

This is like the old beliefs that by creating an image of god, you debase him... and essentially only trick and confuse people from the real thing. What's an illusion? What is real? What is the barrier between deep experience, and surface movements?

I am hesitant to believe that "art" can help in development and evolution because at this point in the history of art it has become another object among objects - a mere commodity. In my opinion the painted "thing" as artifact cannot really help, since what really matters is the movement of creativity. The movement of creativity is what can facilitate, since it opens up new boundaries and helps us evolve.

I agree that it's not just about the painted thing... but I'd disagree that the painting itself is mere commodity, its more likely that the problem lies in us treating it as a commodity. Our money system and culture encourages that. The problem is with our own relationship with art. Some might have a relationship that resembles domestic abuse.

If my paintings have helped in 'development', perhaps it is because I have attempted to make a painting not merely exist as an object among objects, not just a pretty thing hung on a wall. I refuse to show in galleries, and only show at events, psy-trance gatherings or whatever, settings where I attempt to place it in the middle of an art-happening where the painting is a "one-off" totem object at the center of ritual.

I'm into the approach of avoiding galleries. I'm trying to focus more on selling prints (at events.. or on the street) and collaboration. But as I said it's all in your head whether or not your painting is a thing... even if you only show it at events others will still treat it as a commodity if they so please, because that's the way their brain works. But I think my focus is on the economic side of trying to profit from abundance rather than scarcity (in a way defying the typical commodity).

Then again, perhaps being a 'commodity' and an 'artifact' is not such a bad thing (although its still in your head). I think that a picture can simultaneously be all that and have more hidden inside itself. I've seen art that makes me think it is out there to punish people into feeling... (or maybe just thinking) like extreme minimalism for instance. Like I said, some people seem to have the ability to find god in a thing that for someone else is complete kitsch, or boring, or whatever.

That being said.. I think there may be a difference between something that is pretty and something that is visually stimulating- yet the visual richness seems to parallel and internal state. These kind of pictures (especially the visionary artists you mentioned) really function simultaneously as eye candy and also as a portal. And why not have art that can be experienced on different levels?

A Compassionate movement between the I and the It could bring about an upgrade in the We, a collective upgrade of new operating systems and parameters of understanding.

Yeah, i dig. And also I believe more collaborative forms of digital art are emerging which are catalyzing this process. Not just the I and the it, but the We and the It, and the We and the I.

Cheers,

Meade

What is it about art that moves me?

I am drawn to art because of its ambiguous nature. There is no clear definition anymore. Until the mid 19th Century, "Art" had a purpose. It was a skill, a way to record life rather than being a means of expression for expression's sake (not that there wasn't experimentation throughout the centuries). That's what "Art's" job was, it was perfectly clear.

That is, until the camera came along! Art's job had been replaced (or, at least painting, drawing, etc.). And then we have motion pictures.....since then, art has gone from capital "A" to lower case "a". Having to push the emvelope, to compete with 20th Century technology, art then became art for art's sake: modernism, dada, cubism, surrealism, abstract expressionism, etc. Since then, and now in this postmodern world of simulacra, art is constantly trying to find a niche, a way to define itself that I'm not sure can truly be pegged down. I like it that way. After all, how can one truly define sadness or the sky? Instead of being a tool, art is more of a natural force now that cannot be limited by terms and theories.

Hence, why every man and woman may indeed be an "artist".

art today

Being an art teacher to little ones (k-3)..i notice that I have moved away from feeling the need to teach art history, and focus more on teaching skills so my little minds can ~create~ art...the peaceful~mind~space~time you put into/go into from creating is priceless. And yes, everyone is an artist. I use a lot of mandalas and sneak (not that its hard) a lot of "sacred geometry" in my classes.

I found that after the Evolverfest in Atlanta, I actually was thinking a lot about what art is today? what purpose does it hold as more and more changes unfold on this planet? looking at the Crop Circles i think gives a clue...I am thinking that it is about the symbols. That the symbols are holding the clues. Even in visions i've had..the geometrics, the grid. I believe there are truths there yet to be discovered. Symbols are a universal language..no words needed.....

well..and then there are the vibrations...just like everyone is an artist..everyone is a musician...but even vibrations can translate into visuals...its all about the vibrations...pay attention

~Spiderwomanholly

I agree about the symbols

I agree about the symbols and messages within art. I think the universe itself and all of creation is very much art, and that every piece of it is also language. that is to say, and maybe this sounds a bit like paranoid schizophrenia (but who's to say that this is some sort of "disorder"?), everywhere you look I believe you will find symbols. I think humanity in future years (and already is under the process of discovering this) will realize that events are connected not only physically, but also in meaning. artists while creating connect to something beyond themselves, I think most artists (who are into it for the real art, not profiteers) are aware of something outside which directs their work - that what they have created was not entirely under the control of their mind and body. that is God, to me, the act of creation - an act which is constantly occurring, infinite. and so back to the symbols, I think all art is trying to tell us something, but we do not speak the language very well... artists are unaware even of what their art is trying to say because it's deeper than they can express or form into words and ideas which they can make practical sense/use of.

so those are my beliefs. I would also like to add that what I consider to be the difference between "good art" and "bad art" is whether it was created honestly. of course this is hard to discern so it is much more something one perceives than judges.

We are connected

Art moves me when it reveals truth. Not necessarily the "truth" we can all agree on or even the "truth" we fight over defining. Sometimes it's a reflection of my inner truth, however valid my perception may or may not be. I identify and understand something captured and shared by another human. Art is sacred because it connects us as family beyond stereotypes and identity. It is a paradox that the more specific an artist is in capturing their vision, the broader the appeal, in my opinion.

I saw a video on YouTube where an artist turned bikes upside down and filmed the wheels turning and a childhood memory of a made-up game "ice cream maker" came flooding back.

This is Heaven on Earth.