The Devil Archetype

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May 11, 2010

Okay, River, here goes. (Somehow those words seem apropos to start a piece of writing, regardless of punctuation...hmmm, interesting...River here goes, a river goes here....)

I was about 16, give or take a year or so. So we're talking 30 years ago. I remember the details like yesterday. I read a short article in "Seventeen" magazine about TM and decided to try it. (I was always on the lookout for new experiences there in rural Kans-ass, pretty near the exact center of the USA.)

It was afternoon. Mum was in the kitchen. I pulled down the shades in my bedroom, lit a candle and placed it on the floor in front of me, and sat cross legged, and did exactly what the article advised. I must've said "OM" over and over for a half hour or so, and became totally lost in "all the empty spaces" in my mind (which are rather hard to find....) and felt truly very successful with my first try at meditation.

After I completed the meditation I stood up (slowly), turned on the light, sat back down (slowly), blew out the candle, and just basked in the relaxation.

Now in my bedroom back then there was a multi-level, multi-toned beige carpet. I looked down to my right and THERE was the devil, I am NOT sh*tting you (please pardon any hints of profanity - I dislike cursing but sometimes it's the best way to express something), his FACE was FLOATING above the carpet, about an inch tall and proportionately wide, with the horns and the goatee, and the EYES were ANIMATED as was his remarkably tricksterish, evil SMILE. YIKES YIKES and MORE YIKES.

You know how we communicate through our eyes? I was looking at his eyes and he was looking at mine. He was THERE, dammit - the craziest damn thing I've ever seen (and I've seen plenty of crazy stuff). Animated, crazy grin on his face, floating, JUST the face. ALIVE - first and last time I've ever seen anything like it - I mean, seeing ETs and/or their disguises is much more acceptable than this devil archetype. It was outta this world WEIRD and downright SCARY.

Instinctually I reached out my right index finger and SMUDGED his face into the carpet. Immediately, though of course our eyes locked first. I rubbed my finger into the carpet like killing a flipping cockroach (ick!) and when I lifted up my finger there was a SKULL - clear as a bell - etched into the carpet (not floating above it). At that point I jumped up, ran down the hall like a madwoman yelling for "MOM!"

I think this was a turning point in my life. I never did anything worse than pulling wings off flies when I was really little and for whatever reason didn't know better, or taking a few bucks out of the little old ladies' purses in the bathroom during our rural high school's basketball games (what else to buy mind-altering substances with, when no jobs existed in farmland?). But I felt that the devil himself was letting himself in via the thin veil I'd created using the TM. And mind you, I'm not religious, nor have I ever been, though I did memorise 500 Bible verses when I was around 5th grade in order to go to Bible camp for a week. Who wouldn't? Swimming, cabins, canteen, camaraderie, etc.....but no, I never got into the whole Christianity thing. Just never made sense to me, nor does to this day....

but the devil, dammit SATAN himself, he did show his face, even if it was an archetype, how was it animated? Real or unreal, concrete or abstract? I wasn't in any religious turmoil nor was I feeling anything but peaceful after the TM.....so I don't believe I conjured up some hallucination.

Gotta get off this topic - I'm creeped out just talking about it, though I don't believe for a minute that the Devil's in my life in any way, shape, or form today. I rubbed him out at a critical juncture in my life - maybe he sensed my vulnerability as a teenager tempted to do some "bad" deeds? But I took care of it then and there. Never again have I seen him, though I've had a few close calls with evildoers who mean't me harm, but my guardian angel (again, not in a religious sense as much as an archetypal sense) has been by my side.

Ironically too, I was having ET experiences since before birth most likely, but wasn't aware of them during the time this particular event happened, although much later I made the connection that the skull I saw after rubbing out the devil looked quite a lot like your typical "grey," i.e., big, bulbous head with huge dark eyes. Skull looks a lot like a grey alien. I don't think they're all bad, despite their bad rap. But that's another topic entirely - and in my experience, not an archetype but a reality.

So I'll leave it at that. Please, after all I've shared, don't leave me high and dry - respond as soon as you can. It's not easy for me to share, but yet I feel compelled to share.....share and share alike. FREAKISHLY satisfying to have written this! Off the cuff....but like I said, the memory is as fresh as if it had happened yesterday.

Now, how this applies to the world today, and the collective unconscious? Well, the devil archetype has been around for a long, long time - and look at all the evil sh*t we have facing the world today. Is "he" getting the upper hand? Can we collectively RUB HIM OUT? Hmmmmm...........do tell your thoughts on this one.

Comments

Wow!

Thank you for being so.. vulnerably honest? It's an honor to read this. I'll probably have to let this soak in for a few days, knowing my pace.

I wish I could share the story of my associate, but as I mentioned, it's not mine. I feel that it would be a breach of trust and privacy to do so. But I'm sure I'll be asking her about it again soon.

On a related point of 3d manifestations, another friend of mine, who probably wouldn't mind me saying so, told me his story about an encounter, in a half-sleep state, with a little incubus-type creature on his chest. I mention this because only a few days ago, I was amazed to read the story he told me last fall echoed right here on evolver. During a conference in Bloomington about a month ago, I got to meet Jonathan Phillips in person. We got to talking about some of our experiences. One of the things I remember him saying was that the whole evolver crew has been surprised at how many "dark entity attachment" stories they're receiving.

I'm like you in that I am fairly unscathed in my religious conditioning department. I had to wear some scratchy pastel shirts on Easter and learn Sunday school songs when my mom got churchy as I was about six or seven years old. But shortly after that, we moved across town to the woods. I spent the rest of my youth learning there about salamanders, crawdads, mud dams, and forest cycles. I also spent a good deal of time later on in college studying Joseph Campbell's work in comparative mythology.

Modern Western Monoculture has mightily confused the Devil archetype in my opinion. When King James the witch hunter rewrote the bible better to his liking, he and his cartel cast the Devil as a cloven-hoof horned beast in the likeness of Pan but colored him rudely in red. I think this was a great and intentional subterfuge. Cernunnos, Pan, and Herne, etc.. are the living male aspect of the Earth. The real damage of this clever move was to cover, confuse, and cross-identify the tracks of Moloch, whom they actually represented!

I'll be thinking about this question further, and I reckon we'll be talking some more. Thank you for your courage.

More stuff we never never talk about (hehe)

I've been very open since we spoke last to receiving more impressions and circumstances regarding the devil archetype. Most of what I've been noticing though is either self-evident or fairly mundane like the word popping up in conversation and on blogs a lot. I do have a thesis forming about the importance of our dark side, but it's not finished cooking yet. So to continue our conversation, I want to ask what sort of energy did the manifestation you saw convey to you? Especially when you made eye contact!?

oops,

I accidentally hit the button twice.

Archetype vs. the Concept

What sort of energy did the manifestation convey to me....hmmm. Well, devil'ish, to be sure. How to define "devil," then? Devils are so, everywhere, in pop culture - but I'm not really referring to characteristics popularly assigned to "him." Not entirely, though of course my own experience in the material world has coloured the lenses through which I see just about everything. The archetypes themselves carry a separate, but shared, energy about them. Not everyone senses the radical nature of the archetype. The devil was enacting this level of existence - an explicit expression of implicit reality, animated by what may have been perceived as an invitation. Evil, yes to an extent - but again, not evil in the sense that the devil is perceived in popular culture. So, maybe not evil. Tricksterish - yes, tricksterish. A breach of dimensions by the essence of the trickster, who is so elusive as to be sort of unreal at times - rather like an electron when it's not being observed. I've had other encounters with the trickster, and the trickster takes different forms...and so, in this case, perhaps the devil was merely the trickster in disguise. A little scarier than your typical doppelganger, but not as scary as the popular portrayal of the devil. Funny how all these things - the devil, the trickster, the doppelganger - are themselves archetypes, melting into a virtual reflecting pool.

So now after that impromptu, psychotherapeutic self-examination (thanks, River, for being a tributary of this stream of consciousness) (I just can't stop the play on words when it comes to your name, so fitting -) it was still an extraordinarily important event in my life, but I realise now that the devil, as he appeared to me that day through the thinned psychic veil, wasn't anything that can ever really harm me. So I conclude that the archetype was less frightening, perhaps by virtue of being less "stable," for lack of a better word at the moment, than the popular conception of evil that it represents. My response was conditioned by society, but the archetype itself was merely manifesting the essence of trickster mischief - a harmless, if startling, transient intrusion.

Stace Tussel

Ah, the archetype of the

Ah, the archetype of the devil...

Last night, I read this thread. Afterwards, I was doing some tarot work in which the devil played a role. Then, I had some pretty visceral dreams last night in which he was, again, quite central. This energy began appearing in my dreams within the last year or so, and he always (almost always?) takes the form of Randall Flagg from Stephen King's "The Stand." And I mean, he literally looks like the man cast to play the role in the super cheesy made for tv movie version of the books. Tight jeans and all. My dreams with the devil are some of my most sensory, and are usual quite sexual. I rarely experience fear in the dreams, however. This might be due to awareness that I am dreaming.

A summary of my take on The Devil...
The trickster essence of this archetype is perhaps one of the most prevalent, as the rest of it tends to get caught up in dogma and ideology which tend to rely heavily on fear. For me, the devil does not necessarily point to "evil," though it can (i'll get to this). Instead, it represents the epitome of the material realm (Capricorn, if you will) and the instinctive qualities of the psyche. Especially in western culture, our way of viewing the world is built around fear of experiencing these more primal instincts. On the one hand, we're expected to climb and conquer (the mountain goat - Capricorn's symbol), but at what cost? The Devil to me represents the energy that is here to play in this dimension, indulging at will in physical sensation and delights - . The "evil" aspect comes from over-indulgence or being chained to the material realm without regard for the other elements and their lessons, be it because we have forgotten or because we're choosing to make materialism our god.

Thank you so much for sharing your experience, Quanta!

Speaking of ideaologies

The Devil (in the Molochian sense) appeared to my conscious eye tonight in the form of SoulTraveller's news article about the Gulf disaster:
http://www.evolver.net/news/2010/06/07/corexit_killing_gulf