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I am a 19 year old at Geneseo University who has been undergoing a shamanic initiation without much proper guidance, for the last year and a half. Mine is the Stanislav Grof birth trauma, with a journey to the land of the dead thrown in for good measure.It's been tough going and I've made tremendous progress, but I really would like some help from somebody. I'm basically requesting any sort of help that anybody would be willing to give. If somebody could help me out and trip sit me, that would be great and we could coordinate. If (for obvious reasons) that's not doable, someone could just talk with me, as I'm having a very rough time, that would be good also. I really have very little coping resources, and this is incredibly difficult. Any and all help would be appreciated.
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first thought is, uh oh
use what you got at hand, you got 388 people in this here NYC spore, you got places like the NYC Botanical garden in the Bronx, Central Park, you got the ocean, you got the night sky, but, the most important thing is you got yourself, and your experiences, the things that sort of drift in and out of your life that you get glimpses of.
I hope this is some assistance.
"Don't be afraid, it's just a ride"
Dude as I said I am in
Dude as I said I am in Geneseo, not NYC. And I get it, I get that "it's just a ride." I get that life is a creation of our consciousness with no absolute external reality. But I can't shrug shit off like that. My older brother had a crackup years ago and now my mother is worried her younger son is having a crackup also because of the evil hallucinogenic drugs she found out about. She's been through enough pain. My family's worried about me. My friends are worried about me ending up a fried out tweaker. And I'm trying to do freshman year of college while unconsciously I'm stuck in hell itself. So I can't shrug it off as "it's just a ride." I am afraid. As someone who's currently helpless and in the future might be of benefit to humanity, I would like someone to please fucking help me.
Reconnecting
Dear brother, you are part of the continuity of love, God Itself is breathing you. Whatever mistakes you have made have become blessings in your life if you have learned from them.
You may need more comfort and companionship right now than can be provided by typed words. With your permission I will do the shamanic "cutti" for you to strengthen and send more power to your "right thinking, listening to your heart, right action, in the balance of the feminine and masculine." You might want to look for a counselor or trusted family member to talk with and reconnect with the beauty and power of your own being.
with love,
your sister in Divine
Athena
www.curanderahealing.com
I'm thinking of taking up
I'm thinking of taking up Shakti yoga which is in my town. That's about it though. You're free to do whatever you think might be helpful. Right now my current plans are failing out of college, and skipping off to a Yage ceremony in May. I really am not the "fuck it" type but it doesn't look like I have a choice these days.
The cutti was performed for
The cutti was performed for you at 11:00 mountain time today. Take this energy and begin to live as a luminous warrior, having responsibility for your actions, dropping the roles of victim, perpetrator or rescuer and relating to others with compassion.
It is time to help yourself....to the abundance of beauty and light given us by Creator. Look for that Light in the eyes of those around you. Sometimes you can help yourself most by helping others. Look also for those who need what you have.
blessings,
Athena
Ok ok. How in fact do I find
Ok ok. How in fact do I find my assemblage point? I mean I've read that it's between the shoulder blades but I don't actually feel anything there. Odd thing is that walking around campus today, I felt like a force was steering me left a lot of the time.Like actually pushing me. This only started today and came as a surprise. You're right that I am taking the role of a victim to be saved, but I honestly am in need of some help or at least advice. If you guys could recommend some reading?
As of now I'm hitting the gym and looking into a yoga class. Trying to maintain a routine, but it's hard. I feel like I'm teetering back and forth across the edge of an abyss. How do I use the four winds? How do I use any of this in an active manner? I have deepening levels of insight, but I don't know how to control this process at all.
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Excellent Advice Harbinger
One Needs to Know this stuff from Many different angles and different perspectives...Seeing things from many different sides all at the sametime is a skill one develops. Start with a simple task like Learning the I-Ching and cultative your Inner sense organs to allow yourself to be guided By your own inner thoughts ....
This is Another Practice that can take many Years to sense on these Higher forms . These forms of thought and action are more real then the reality we "believe-in" , these Realities you expereince and Know they exist, this also takes practice...
The Sad Part is, there are Billions of People on this Planet that are totally Blind to the Knowledge that already Lives within side of themselves ... One Really doesn't have to Buy or Join anything ONe just Needs the Right Advice On where to Find it...
Just as an Aside
The Sense Of insantity is what you Expereince Just Prior to an Amazingly New Discovery
Look I'm really not
Look I'm really not interested in all this theoretical crap. I'm interested in experiencing the death-rebirth before my fucking life falls apart. If you guys can't give me any advice on that I think I might risk tripping again.
help
Hey,
I have a clinic in brooklyn. I may be able to help. Don't worry about $.
www.welcometothecenter.com
-justin-
Look you guys need to stop
Look you guys need to stop this. I'm already having vague, all pervasive fears of insanity and now you're giving me vague fucking parables. I want some advice like, do/don't trip right now.
Read this. It'll help.
Don't sweat, even if things seem messed up it's going to work out naturally.
Tell me how you are feeling.
Seriously this is a very very bad time for me. I do not need to be told that it's just a ride, or quoted the bible. You guys are now sounding like a fucking cult.
help
very true manicman, but these guys are just trying to help.
can you get to brooklyn? i deal with a lot of this kind of stuff.
tripping at this point in your life might not be a good idea
-justin-
Oh shit I can't believe I
Oh shit I can't believe I missed your post the first time. I'm gonna look into it and get back to you ASAP.
Hey Manicman. I can't offer
Hey Manicman. I can't offer any expertise in psychedelics or Grof. Just empathy with your situation and your frustration with some of the solutions offered here. But your appeal is so heart felt that I want to help. Without a very experienced guide, I would say don't do any more psychedelics for the moment. One key question seems to me "where are you in relation to all this?" I think it can't hurt to believe that you (whatever that is) are in the center of the experience. Even if this experience is also outside of you and taking you away from the old self, it came from you initially... drug in your body-mind, your breathing, your life history up to now. Even if you're changing, you are the subject, and the experience begins with you. You may not be able to control it in the conventional sense, but if you believe you can ride it and go where it is taking you, then I think you can. Be kind to youself, and believe you can come out the other side. I also vote for seeing the guy in Brooklyn if you can get there.
Rich Bailey
richbailey3@gmail.comÂ
I'm not so wild about
I'm not so wild about talking to mental health people about this, but I have found someone with whom to talk to about this. A guy at the local bookstore is knowledgeable about shamanism and whatnot so that's good.
Thing is my process is kind of stuck. As in without some sort of prompting, such as psychedelics or breathwork nothing happens. I'm just stuck in this vague state of free floating anxiety. I'm not eager to risk tripping but I might. I have people to sit me, and I have been able to do it alone without freaking out in the past. Thing is that breathwork is only once every couple months, and I really don't see any other way to access the states I need to. I'm sick of being on edge all the time.
Yeah this definitely came
Yeah this definitely came from within me; no doubt about that. I feel like this might have been building for like 10 years now, and if I hadn't tripped I would have been one of those people with psychotic breaks.
Thing is just how massive this experience goes. I keep thinking that I'm one experience away from being done, and then it gets deeper.
Hey I sat for you during Holotropic Breathwork
Hey buddy you are a real special person I had a great experience sitting for you. I am going to do more breathwork this tuesday and am looking forward to it. Please dont skip out of school for a yage ceremony , I think yoga really sounds like a great idea for you right now its a wonderful way to further your initiatory experience by grounding all the information that you already have. You need something to help process all this stuff at a slower pace not more plant catalysts at this stage. The medicine you have already taken is still working with you.This path is not always fun I know you understand that but I also know that you can and will make it through this. Yoga , exercise, healthy eating, walking in nature ,spending time with friends that you care about, these are very important parts of an initiatory experience just as much as working with powerful plant spirits , shaman, etc... .It is very very important to find ways to keep your feet on the ground throughout this, being able to take care of yourself physically and keeping yourself in good health is of the utmost importance in getting you where you want to be. Dont give up hope just keep on your path and stay true to yourself. If there is anything I can help you with please reach out I am definitely here to help you if you need it.
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What up Homey. Still having fun.
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Rasta Me
Hey man, You might be
Hey man,
You might be interested in looking at some of the old Breaking Open the Head forums, based around or inspired by Pinchbeck's first book. The forum isn't active anymore, but a lot of the threads on it deal with real shit, initiatory stuff, both Daniel's and the other posters, I mean like dudes committing suicide because they got too deep in their own nekyia/underworld psychotropic experiences. Reading your posts, I kind of see myself, when I was 19 and in college I had a big shattering existential crisis which resulted in my dropping out, hitchhiking to New Mexico, transferring to a different school thinking it would be different. Nothing really helped me, finally I enlisted as a recon Marine because by that point I just wanted to go to war and die, and two years into it it's been enough of a purgatorial experience that most of the initiatory crap and destruction and insanity is behind me. Nobody was really able to help me, I kind of just embraced the thing and let it take me, and after feeling for years that I was just falling, I finally hit ground about a year and a half into my enlistment, and was surprised when that ground was actually benevolent and calm and open.
You're right, it does seem like a lot of the posters on this site try way too hard to embody some kind of ideal of spirituality, it doesn't seem as though they acknowledge their own shadow in the Jungian sense, their own share of the 'darkness' in the world, and they seem as though they're trying to convince themselves that everything is going to be OK, all love and light etc., which it is, but not in the dualistic messianic sense in which a lot of people frame it.
Yoga is awesome, I haven't done holotropic breathwork, but given that it's guided, that sounds like a good way to go deeper into this thing. I think you're going to be OK, if only for the fact that you're reaching out for guidance and help, and yeah it doesn't really exist in this culture, you're going to have to pick up and put the pieces together for yourself for the most part, but it's good that you're communicating with the world. I tended to internalize most of the journey, and it's not always so good to do it without any guide whatsoever.
It sounds like a lot of the advice people are giving you is geared towards damage control and mitigating the effects of what you're going through, and that may be necessary, but in the end, if you're going to the land of the dead, then walks in nature and getting high on yoga will only slow down your fall to an extent, and after that you're still going to have to go to those places. It will have a momentum of its own, and maybe consider letting it go to its conclusion instead of trying to resist it. I would say something like 'the trick is to land it gracefully as possible, as if you were landing a parachute,' but there was nothing graceful about what I went through, and it was something larger than myself that caught me or within or upon which I landed which sustained me finally, call it grace or whatever, but it wasn't something I was ever in control of. Books, literature, philosophy, music, drugs, nothing helped me or kept me from going through, as you put it, the abyss, so I'm not going to say read this or that book etc. etc. and it will solve your problems.
I second B 13, if there's anything I can do to help then please contact me, you can reach me by email at ryanhinely@gmail.com. Myself, B 13, I'm sure your family and friends and many others would do what they can to help out, you have a support network. Be OK, man. If you feel called to withdraw from school for a while and go to South America and study with a curandero then I would say go for it.
Good luck man,
Ryan
yup
oh man, can i relate to your story. i had a crack-up/shamanic initiation crisis for three years during college. i reached out to a couple people, but no one really knew how to help, and i myself was convinced i was either insane or possessed, not knowing about shamanic initiation at the time. it was really hard, but i eventually got through it and today i am grateful for everything that experience taught me - pretty much my entire spirituality and energy awareness is based on what i learned during that time. the things that really helped me were: no intoxicants, esp. weed (i also toyed with the idea of doing a yage ceremony, but i would say only do it if you're in the hands of an actual shaman who could help you); meditating every day; sitting in nature and sunlight whenever possible and letting the sunlight pour into my energy body; reading spiritual literature, and focusing on feeling the love of spiritual beings working to help me. this is a good time to connect with your spirit allies, btw. i found that there were a myriad of beings who were willing to help me heal. i also found a spiritual strength i never knew i had; i had to face this situation every day with what i felt to be my "lion energy" which embodies courage and strength. i didn't do it at the time but i'm sure yoga would be really helpful, as would kirtan, i bet. try not to fear, for the universe is supporting you at all times. this is growth and growth is hard. you can email me at spud_freeATyahoo.com too if you want or if you are coming to brooklyn to go to that center which is near my house. peace - nikki
Hey all, I did end up
Hey all, I did end up withdrawing from Geneseo. I couldn't even come close to keeping up with my pretty small course load. It was quite pathetic actually.
That said I think I am doing better than before. I've not yet had the death/rebirth I'm seeking, but the dark night of the soul part is over. Jack Kornfield described it pretty well here. www.spiritualemergence.org.au/pages/forms-egodeath.html
The world is definitely brighter than it's been in a long time.
I really think I am going through almost the stereotypical shamanic initiation. I mean it seems like a lot of people are going through initiations nowadays, such as Daniel Pinchbeck, but I would count him as more of an esotericist or occultist than a shaman. Which is not to put him down, but I'm going through the one described in the anthropological literature. I've had my innards torn out, cleaned and replaced with quartz crystal, as well as all that other stuff. I even started remembering some very early childhood dreams and whatnot. I think I had other dimensions showing up in my unconscious when I was a kid. There are a ton of questions I want answered especially the whys. I mean I grew up a Jewish middle class kid, so I wonder why this is happening to me.
As of now I am looking to save up money to send myself somewhere. I definitely overdid it on the psychedelics at one point, this whole thing has been quite messy, and I am pretty relieved to be at where I am now. I feel like I have avoided disaster such as a breakdown or drug burn out or whatever, and I have had time to integrate experiences that were kind of overwhelming. So I am hoping to earn some money and send myself to a yage ceremony or whatever. I want a teacher more than anything.
That all said, I think some
That all said, I think some of the people who posted earlier in this thread are kind of idiotic. Telling someone about the I ching or my assemblage point is not a good thing to do when they're already confused and vulnerable. Just to let people know, people who go through spiritual emergences are often isolated, misunderstood, and pretty vulnerable. I know I felt very guilty for some of the darker feelings that I had for a long time, before I had a context to put them in. Even after I had a context to put them in, it was still rough. There was this kind of kafkaesque, existential guilt. Telling someone to take responsibility and be a warrior of the light or whatever isn't a very good thing to say.
This is a good blog about the spiritual emergence process:
spiritualemergency.blogspot.com
Yo!
Hey manicman, just sent you an email. Sorry about the delay. :)
-justin-
Ok, I think I want to
Ok, I think I want to continue with the journey using psychedelics. Right now I could save up a LOT of money to go to an ayahuasca ceremony, but that sounds improbable and impractical. Does anyone know of underground psychedelic therapy in this region, or any other way to go through with this safely without going to another continent?
Wow this was such a
Wow this was such a shitshow. I am glad things are different now.
See that is the kind of shit
See that is the kind of shit I am talking about. People here seem to be into pop spirituality divorced from real experiences. One woman messaged me telling me she had a vision saying she should reach out to me. Then refused to respond when I begged her to tell me. Later on messaged me again telling me she ignored me because I sounded pathetic, and that he had had a shamanic initiation herself and that I was clinging too much to ego consciousness and that I just had to trust in the universe's love. Then became very disdainful when I told her she probably hadn't had a real shamanic initiation.
People, an actual shamanic initiation usually involves an element of severe terror. Even something more gentle like a kundalini awakening can be pretty difficult if it involves a dark night of the soul. Don't take advantage of people who are already in a vulnerable state when undergoing processes like these.
Hey manicman! Long time no
Hey manicman!
Long time no speak! Looks like more of the same on the message board. Some helpful advice, some not so helpful. Sorting that kinda shit out is all part of the journey.
Shoot me an email. I can't find your email address.
Things are looking up but not perfect?
:)
-justin-












