What would psychodelic legalization look like?
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Ah, this topic.
So, I am going to start right off by declaring where my prejudice lies: I am not a "psychodelic advocate" in the sense that I am not working towards a full legalization and unfettered use of psychodelics; I would actually oppose such a move in our society.
What I would like to see this thread become is a forum in two parts: what possibilities are open for increased legalization and what shape we would like to see that legalization take.
The first part should rest on citation, not logical wrangling. Yes, we know the government has pot farms; yes, we know the original laws were largely based on the horrific findings of the unconscionable MKULTRA program; yes, we know that most drug laws are based on the most base hypocrisy; all of that is of no concern, really. The laws of the USA are; it is possible to change them, but we must know them; it is possible to change the way the extant laws work with different substances, too; Rick Doblin has a great presentation on the structure of the FDA scheduling system. Is it dry as hell itself? Sure, but those are the tools we have to work with. Getting that information on board is a big step for any informed discussion on this matter.
For the second part: Governments need a way to interact with reality, and calls these ways 'laws'. So it is that we cannot rest on a rallying cry of "legalize!"; we need a vision for /how/ it will be legally considered. Should it be considered the way we do bananas and wheat? Perhaps in the way we consider gasoline? How about the way we consider open heart surgery? Bob forbid, how about the way we consider female mammary glands? We would not be the first culture to perform this visioning; it is the rule, rather than the exception for psychodelics to be regulated by ritual and tradition (Schultes et al. 2001).
I will join in on this conversation in a later post.
-AnB
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"yes, we know the original
"yes, we know the original laws were largely based on the horrific findings of the unconscionable MKULTRA program"
Would you elaborate on this? I'm familiar with the MKUltra program but I'm not sure which 'original laws' you are speaking about regarding these 'horrific findings.'
Also, at this point of the involution of our government, don't you think legalizing psychedelics and 'working from within' is like changing seats on the Titanic?
Sorry, I was using
Sorry, I was using emotionally-laden terminology in order to sate anyone with such an axe to grind.
Background: data concerning the similarity of psychedelic experience to psychosis and the psychological dangers of taking psychedelics was largely contributed by the MKULTRA program. The findings of actual scientists did not find their way into the US government's debates re: psychedelic drugs, though ample evidence of safe administration leading to non-psychotic reactions was readily available, even sent as testimony to Congress. Speak to any researcher from that era, or read the proceedings of staff meetings in Saskatchewan and you will see the pain which banality occasioned in my sources.
But all this detracts from my point: that I do not think going over this subject matter helps the conversation any.
-Andrew Byrne
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Community Outreach Coordinator
Psilocybin Cancer Research Project
Johns Hopkins Behavioral Biology Research Unit
Link to study: http://www.cancer-insight.org
re: deck chairs on the titanic
It is not working from within, as much as working on it at all. Listen, I'll agree with many here, and say that most governments utterly fail their citizens. I am also going to say that we inevitably manifest governments and religion. We may have a decentralized network of syndicalist unions practicing direct democracy and finding their religion in love, or we might live in a monarchy supported by a corrupt harem of magicians; regardless of our form of government, we as a society must figure out how we can best interact with these substances.
Every culture that has a mature relationship with entheogenic substances has some framework they are placed in (the Waika in Brazil/Venezuela being an informative counter-example). You have to be sick, have killed your first lion, have lived for 3 months with only other boys.. something auto-culturally defined that says "we have found this to be the correct set and setting for a mystic event". We live in our world; what do we call that? Scheduling. Alcohol is OK in certain situations, so is cocaine, so is MDMA. The question of whether any schmuck can buy it, only certain professionals can, or if it can only be used in certain settings is answered in our culture by scheduling. If one started their own culture, the question of what is appropriate where/when would eventually come up--which is not a bad thing; the Zapatista have banned all alcohol in their territory for over 15 years,and it has been doing well for them.
-Andrew Byrne
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Community Outreach Coordinator
Psilocybin Cancer Research Project
Johns Hopkins Behavioral Biology Research Unit
Link to study: http://www.cancer-insight.org
the court of the psychodelic!
My uncle and I were talking the other day. The hardest part is getting the FDA to acknowledge in some legal way that the things that people experience on these chemicals is in some way 'real' and can be helpful to both our mental and physical being. I think we should start there and then delve into the two areas you have brought up. The fact that every single trip is different for every person every time is a big problem from the get go. While working at NIH during college it was amazing to me how hard it was for folks to get new drugs and med tech to the people. Some of that we are to be thankful for, these controls are setup for our health in mind for the most part. But those controls can not be applied to the psychedelic experience, the experience is all about having those controls and every other one we give or have for ourselves lifted.
Perhaps we start by trying to qualify technically what a psychedelic experience is and build up this topic from there?
I think we are a few steps away from being able to start answering part 1 or 2.
When confronted with the truth, the fool always laughs.
Posted this on a recent news story, thought it relevant here.
Of course the war on drugs is a failure, but my conspiracy research days make me question: was it ever genuine?
I haven't been up on new info about it, but I'd be very interested on hearing what other Evolvers think of it.
Lots of media on this topic these days. My point of view is that drugs have always been a prime target for organized crime (aka government) and people like the CIA have used their power to siphon off many billions from the trade, even actively imported it, and the Wall Street arm of the CIA gets fat profits from laundering it.
The military invaded Afghanistan to fight terrorists? nope. drugs and oil. Ask how opium production can increase to over 90% of total world production, when the best funded military in the world is occupying it, and it still claims to be fighting the war on drugs.
And why not? everyone wants a slice of that lucrative pie.
not to mention the argument that crack poured into poor black communities in extra large, cheap quantities, in order to incarcerate all the people who would otherwise rebel against such disenfranchisement.
Come to think of it, what do psychedelics do? they help us question rigid beliefs and old ways, things government is fond of preserving, so it's natural they'd want to put a lid on that party.
but then again, who is "they"? It's really the people that accept things as they are, and those who are too afraid to question the limits of what is possible.
Personally, I test limits as much as I can, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't ever fearful of "going over the edge," or exploring the unknown. but that is what must be done. That is all there is to do.
addendum: It seems to me that the real question is not whether they should be legal, but how much are we willing to question our physical reality and beliefs? Isn't that what people are scared of when they react against legalizing psychedelics? They think, oh, we can't throw everything we know into a pit and mix it all around, we have a lot invested in keeping things the way they are.
First commenter said it was really about whether or not we think the psychedelic experience is "real". Well that is the question isn't it. What's real. The thing people are scared of, is considering that there is nothing intrinsically real or objective - things are as real or solid as you make them. beliefs create reality, which leads to personal responsibility for it, and that's downright terrifying, I know. but somehow it feels more valid, and strangely empowering.
stop war!
The war on drugs is a never ending war on just like the war on terror. It can never be won. the policy's of a country on drugs does not effect the amount of use and therefore its a loosing battle they are fighting.
in a legal environment you would need to consult a doctor before using any drugs so they can give you the heads up on the effects and side effects. you get the clean drug with no extra street garbage that is common in a lot of drugs because of the money factor. this also gives the people who want to get off drugs a person they can talk to with info on how to get off the drugs if they become addicted.
the government would reap great profits and save billions on the policing side of things. Also the crime would lose alot of its funding from the drug game. There are nothing but benefits here. put that money into education and let people decide what they want to put into there bodies.
for a short vid on cannabis prohibition watch Why Prohibition? and see a canadians view point on marijuana
the people of amarica need to take back there country and stop putting pressure on canada to fall in line. I love all people but the ones running this war game are costing millions of lives and it is not fair
Lots of Love,
Soal
"the government would reap
"the government would reap great profits and save billions on the policing side of things. Also the crime would lose alot of its funding from the drug game."
This is not a benefit for government, but THE prolem. Think of all the police and lawyers and prison guards who would lose their jobs. Crime would lose a lot of funding? Government is but generally accepted organized crime. Why would anyone think that the largest crime syndicate of them all wouldn't have a hand in the drug trade.
Just look at the numers according to the United nations: 7,606 hectares of opium production in Afghanistan in 2001, then the squeaky clean US of A comes in and surprise, record crops, topping at 193,000 ha in 2007. 93% of world opium production. hmmm. somehow looking for old guys with funny headbands in caves doesn't seem so ah, truthful. but it made for a perfect Hollywood story, hours after the planes hit, and that's what American's can't resist - a good ole' us versus them fight scene.
Talk about trying to destroy your own trauma. If we could only step out of our roles of victims/abusers, compassion would swell up from our depths.
That's spelled Psych-e-delic.
And the E is for Ecology of the mind so we can tune in to Nature.Learn about it and grow your own.Unless you plan on making home made beer and wine illegal also.
I think I see where you are coming from
But the "e" was originally "because it sounds better", at least to hear R.E. Shultes ttalk about his interaction with Leary on the matter.
but I know the value of good propaganda; please expand on this, and please tell me what you mean by 'grow your own'. My own Ecology of the mind? I think I have one, but maybe I am not getting you rightly.
I think bootleg whisky is illegal, but also could be wrong.
with good intentions
-Andrew Byrne
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Community Outreach Coordinator
Psilocybin Cancer Research Project
Johns Hopkins Behavioral Biology Research Unit
Link to study: http://www.cancer-insight.org
I think I see where you are coming from
But the "e" was originally "because it sounds better", at least to hear R.E. Shultes ttalk about his interaction with Leary on the matter.
but I know the value of good propaganda; please expand on this, and please tell me what you mean by 'grow your own'. My own Ecology of the mind? I think I have one, but maybe I am not getting you rightly.
I think bootleg whisky is illegal, but also could be wrong.
with good intentions
-Andrew Byrne
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Community Outreach Coordinator
Psilocybin Cancer Research Project
Johns Hopkins Behavioral Biology Research Unit
Link to study: http://www.cancer-insight.org
What a post! I really
What a post!
I really enjoyed your second-to-last 'graf. I also get this funny image of things that look like food service certifications hanging up in the entrance of your modified hashbar...
It is fun to dream =]
-Andrew Byrne
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Community Outreach Coordinator
Psilocybin Cancer Research Project
Johns Hopkins Behavioral Biology Research Unit
Link to study: http://www.cancer-insight.org
cluster headaches
Oh, one other thing... there is a substance that is a non-enthogenic variant of LSD that Mark Halpern (yes, that Mark Halpern) has used at Harvard to successfully treat cluster headaches. He has a patent for such use of Bromo-LSD.
-Andrew Byrne
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Community Outreach Coordinator
Psilocybin Cancer Research Project
Johns Hopkins Behavioral Biology Research Unit
Link to study: http://www.cancer-insight.org










