Earthlings and Peaceable Kingdom

Hello,

Our thread "What should our Intention be towards animals in a Community?" is getting giant and also has swayed a bit from the original intent. satyagrahi who started the thread wanted us to veiw specific videos:

Earthlings
http://www.raw-wisdom.com/earthlings

and

Peaceable Kingdom
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1302229573448724495

This shiny new thread is to actually talk about the videos!

Now I found I couldn't watch Earthlings...It played my emotions too hard which is a sign of Propaganda. I was about to cry and puke within the first five minutes and after 10 I was filled with rage.
Peaceable Kingdom I found to be a good alternative, an informative documentary that showed just enough of the "horror aspect"and a lot of real people with first hand accounts. I found I was able and willing to watch the whole thing and even felt compelled to take some notes.

I ask the question why? What drives good people to such madness?
What I see is that everyone wants to make a living and it's becoming harder and harder to do so. I smell something fishy between the lines and behind the doors of Industry.
A fellow wwoofer I was talking with grew up on a familly farm. She talked of how hard it was to be poor and that although her father grew acres upon acres of corn{worked 12 hrs a day} they never had enough money to FEED their familly. Now why would a FARMER be STARVING??????? If they grew but 3 acres of mixed crop wouldn't they be eating extremely well?

I got a few quotes from Peaceable Kingdom:

"Well if you had 15 or 16 cows you couldn’t make a living….so the farmer has 500 cows or 1000 cows"

"As soon as animals are being used as economic units, and they are used as economic units in small farms too, we have a concern that their well-being will become secondary or even further down the list."

"I thought it was the garden of Eden and the only thing I wanted to be in my entire life was a farmer. But I graduated from high school and lo and behold I found the farm was a business to be run and I didn’t have the tools to run a business. So I decided to go to Montana State University and become an agro-business man. Four years of college and I learned a thing called ‘Better living through chemistry’ and I went home and took a small farm, an organic farm, and over a period of years I turned it into an operation where I had 7,000 head of cattle, 12,000 acres of crop. We’d bring the animals in and we’d put them in the shoot, cut off{list ensues of horrifying procedures}….These were the things I learned at Montana State University."

From this movie my "What brings people to do this?" was answered as A. Industry, the need to make a living and B. Peer-pressure C. I infer that high demand for meat products comes from IGNORANCE

As for "what the policies for animals in the community should be?" I say figure what you think about it out for yourself and go to a place that feels similar. You can't march in on someone else's home and tell them they are wrong and need to change{I mean you CAN but how far can you get with it?} I like cats and cat-human symbiosis but think neutering is important. I love communities that perserve the habitats of the wildlife they share land with...Same goes for the wild plants...and not clearing to much land. My intention is to "live with animals" as a fellow animal....especially cats and lizards and birds and also to learn more tolerance for bugs that bother me{ the mosquito question is hard for me becuase I am pretty alergic" do I swat, wear bug-spray, or just avoid}