Mimosa Hostilis and Syrian Rue

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August 12, 2010

Hello all, this is a topic about the combination of the Mimosa Hostilis bark and Syrian Rue, a natural MAOI inhibitor. I find it to be quite an effective pairing, and have tripped on it a number of times. Each experience has been profoundly spiritual and life changing, affecting me in a way that no other psychedelic has. Has anyone else tried this before? The ingredients can be obtained relatively cheaply via the internet, are legal until combined, and are brewed together quite easily. Let's talk! :)

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abit more about your experience, how did it differ from other entheogens???

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Any nausea? Syrian Rue kinda

Any nausea? Syrian Rue kinda makes me nauseous. Still though, I see no point in even eating mushrooms with out a MAOI. I've never used Mimosa but I see them out and about every once in a while and like the idea of obtaining indigents locally. I also know you can get some type of Mimosa from HomeDepot. I didn't get one because I wasn't sure if it was the right type of Mimosa or not. Last time we used Diplopterys Cabrerana and was left unimpressed.

"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."

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Ok, I'll tell you about my first experience, which occurred on my 21st birthday... I was visiting a friend, and his roommate, an avid user of psychedelics, happened to be in the midst of taking some brew. He offered me some and gave me a small amount, as it was the first time he had made the brew and was unsure of how intense it would be. The initial effects took about half an hour to set in, and reminded me almost of a mushroom trip, i.e. color intensification, breathing walls, geometric closed-eye visuals, a euphoric giddy feeling... But then I was overwhelmed with an indescribable sensation, what I suppose I would equate with the breaking down of the sense of self, something I've heard is common with acid (something I've never tried) but has only been hinted at with other psychedelics (in my case at least). I wasn't wholly prepared for the experience so we went inside, where my friend's roommate proceeded to play a reading from william s. bouroughs' book the western land, which was accompanied by various sound effects. Quite frankly, it scared the living shit out of me. It was at this point that I was hit with a strong urge to vomit, and I ran to the upstairs bathroom and let loose into the sink... Then a very curious thing happened. As I ran the tap water it seemed to shimmer a gold and silver color and the water droplets began to form into the shapes of what I can only describe as some sort of tribal gods and goddesses. At this point I started to mellow out and the trip receded (If you don't take very much it doesn't last long.) I went downstairs and we decided to take a stronger dose. After taking almost half of a large mug, we waited. This time around the trip was FAR more intense. Even though I was conscious and enthusiastically talking with my friend's roommate about this and that, I was in a dreamlike state that's difficult to describe unless you've been there yourself. Every thought I had seemed to vividly take shape in my mind's eye, almost seeming as if real. Every time I close my eyes fractal landscapes would open up before me, morph into animals and insects, then to demons and angels, gods, goddesses, and then back again. I felt connected to everything, for lack of a better description, much more so than the other psychedelics I've experienced, and had a gratifying feeling of well being. There were a couple instances of nausea and purging, but other than that the experience was quite pleasant. I felt happy and cleansed the next morning, and in fact lost all urge to smoke cigarettes, a habit I had picked up a couple of years before. Unfortunately it didn't last and I started to smoke again a week later, but it was still a great feeling. Overall I am happy with the experience but now that I've tried it a couple more times I feel as though I've cheated myself in a way, as the drug was taken out of context with its original purpose... I.e. not ritualistically. I think with a proper guide you could positively alter your life and break down any issues you've had over the years. I'll stop ranting now, haha. Thoughts? I agree with you absalom, obtaining ingredients locally is the better choice, but the hostilis and rue my friend used were from a trusted source. As far as what kind it was, I'm not exactly sure.

I think this is why many of

I think this is why many of us advocate a psychedelic society. Dissolving the boundaries of cultural disillusionment to get to what's real once more...

I'm not so concerned with the context of origin so much as I am it's potential. These things may not find you in what some would consider proper context, but really you're lucky just to have any context at all. Sometimes you drive past the same milestone several times before you recognize what mile you're on. So to me any context is fair context. This serves as something for which to build upon.

Have you ever smoked DMT? Or done an MAOI with mushrooms? Or both simultaneously?

"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."

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Wise words, it's nice to see it from that perspective. I have never smoked DMT, although I've always been curious to try. The opportunity hasn't presented itself and it seems to be a ghastly difficult find... Nor have I really used an MAOI with 'shrooms. I've always taken them as is. I'm definitely up for some experimentation though, what kind of MAOI would you recommend for my next trip?

There's more to the mushroom

There's more to the mushroom than Psilocyn. I don't think the source of the MAOI matters as long as it is sufficient. Syrian Rue will work fine or you can just smoke the Peganum Harmala seeds crushed or as is. Banisteriopsis Caapi actually smokes quite well with weed and you can order it as part of an Ayahuasca kit online. Then there's Morning Glory seeds but I never messed with them.

DMT I like to think of as having come to us specifically packaged for western culture. I know many people get into all the ritual and ceremony and I probably would too if it made it's way into my life. But it hasn't, the teacher never showed up in the context which many would prefer. So where does that leave me? What exactly does this shaman have over me anyway? Like I can't be well or enlightened without the shaman or the guru? I just have a hard time with this concept.

So DMT comes to us in a form which can't really be ritualized in the usual way. Or at least it would seem the ritualization part of it has been circumvented by the chemistry leaving only the sacrament and the experience. It's almost like the DMT says, "get a clue, you don't need a guru." Whereas if you take the time to make Ayahuasca or an Ayahuasca analog the ritual itself seems a microcosm of culture itself. It isn't until you take the sacrament and undergo an experience that the adhesion of the cultural mask is dispatched. Whereas with DMT it sort of brings all the issues to the table at once. You don't quite need the same type of setting as Ayahusaca because there's virtually no preparation. Liberating, it only take 15 minutes before you're down and bewildered. Whereas Ayahuasca and even shrooms need to metabolize.

Somewhere in the middle I think is a place where you can peek as if you smoked it and stretch it out over time like Ayahusaca or shrooms in such a way that one could actually bring something back instead of being like gold turning into dust, but to each their own alchemy...

"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."

Very Synchronistic Topic

Glad some others are talking about this. I haven't had an opportunity to brew this stuff up yet. I have a big bag of rue (haoma i've been calling it since Rak Razam's 'One Tree' podcast, love that guy!) that I've been using with psilocybin with great results.

Something I've been interested in hearing more about is new forms of ritual that western huasca users are performing. Rak Razam touches on this on occasion in his podcast. I am contemplating beginning ritual use (after putting in some work alone of course) in order to eventually start inviting others in my area (southeast u.s.) to join in. Has anybody out there participated in rituals with either Haomahuasca, Ayahuasca, or any other analogs that were not a direct mimicry of one particular traditional ritual but a sort of amalgam of rituals? This intrigues me greatly!

From my understanding and

From my understanding and how we've been doing it. Brewing it is like 10 hours so making it is a ritual. That's about the only common thing I know they all do.

"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."

Good idea to practice ritual

and making, holding a sacred space. A good idea I think is just to go around the room and let each person speak, what their intentions are, why they're doing this, what they hope to learn, etc. During it I suggest a time for just making noises or singing - one interesting way to start it up and get the energy going is to say to everyone - just mimick the sounds in the environment. Pretty soon you'll get all kinds of release of energy. Burn some sage, cleanse the space, it's all intuitive stuff. Tho one thing we're missing is the traditional songs, which can intensify aya effects quite a bit I hear.

Good idea to practice ritual

and making, holding a sacred space. A good idea I think is just to go around the room and let each person speak, what their intentions are, why they're doing this, what they hope to learn, etc. During it I suggest a time for just making noises or singing - one interesting way to start it up and get the energy going is to say to everyone - just mimick the sounds in the environment. Pretty soon you'll get all kinds of release of energy. Burn some sage, cleanse the space, it's all intuitive stuff. Tho one thing we're missing is the traditional songs, which can intensify aya effects quite a bit I hear.