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posted by fidgety stickler | October 8, 2009
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Icerocketi am thinking about the human world and im thinking that in effect taking animals in as pets is eventually detrimental and destructive to their species. Mainly because pets have several generations of offspring within the life span of a human; so it suffices to say that in the least, one human can have an impact of svere measure on, not only the offspring of several generations of one animal, but possibly several or all future generations. After just a few generations out of the wild, an animal starts to become completely dependnet on the human. this is because the offspring that were born under the human care wasnt taught the same thing as one born in the wild(nature). It stands to reason, that the animals daily actions and almost ritual care of young and each other, is not just instinct. It is the basics of survival. It is what the animals in their species in their area have collectively come up with so far for the best living conditions possible. Never will you see an animal in the wild being idle, even if they are sleeping or resting. They have purpose. It's what makes sense, and the difference between right and wrong. Living on Earth Style!
Living in a human generate dnevironment deprives animals of the natural existence within their one lif eon earth. There is the possibility of reincarnation, but if the possibility is there that you only have one life, to live breathe breed eat and live, and you were an animal, would you want to spend it with a human? or fulfilling your existence! Is it conspiracy?
is it possible that we affecte dthe world so much, and as extensions of the earth, they think the only way to get thru to us is to teach us by example? or is it possible that we hurt their ancestors so much, that the only refuge, was under the enemies wing?
so it oges to show that taking them from the wild, feeding them, giving them things, caring for them, and keeping them, and genertaions of them, is really "not loving" them, or atleast not in the best way possible. is it possible we humans have a touch of the sam esickness that we have bred into our repsctive friends the animals?
(in the same way animals dont realize they are domesticated, dont expect it to be clearly obvious to yourself either)
Comments
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— Oct 08, 2009
well, most cats I know seem to be more in control of their human masters than they are of them. Maybe we are the ones being domesticated. Besides, animals quickly revert back to their wild nature when left to themselves for a few generations.
But I don't believe in the whole neutering thing. That's just cruel, and I would never do it to another living being.
we are
— Oct 09, 2009
in accord about the frankensteining of animals
but i dont know too many people who are ruled by their animals
as you tell
but i do know it to be a big dominating part of our society
commercials on television to help animals
shelters erected just to gather and kill them
anything they can do to make a buck it seems
you mentioned them easily reverting back to the wild
it is my experience that this can be difficult and deadly
even for a previously wild animal
i think their world exists around us all the time
from the teeniest who in whoville
and on up in every measure
(then theres us : )
and bis as possible
so big that we cant imagine
so that we are the whos and this is whoville
everything is swirled together
fancifully
like the seed sprouts
so i know a bunch of wild cats and dogs
but do they want to come in your house?
no thank you (politely)
do they want to eat your food?
um, really no (as if you must be crazy)
will they share your space and time
to share their perception with you?
if you let them want to
so its like this big fractal that diminishes and develops
and i dont want to be mean
but we are like this big fleck of glitter
we have the chance to shine and sparkle
or we could look kinda gaudy
so, in all that
we lopp off specifically dog and cat organs
while we cheer as a panda FINALLY has a baby
in captivity
strange
lol
disclaimer: i understand if you have had your animals aprts removed, old animals who have had too many is somewhat justifiable for most, my friend flo the black pitdull girl dog had an emergency hysterectomy? because her uterus swole up to 17 pds because she imagined she wa spregnant(thats what the vet said)...she is a big dog and this was a notable size, they took pics, i would have just killed her cuz i think that is totally stupid, there are starving children in africa, but "somebody" thought the lanky freakin thing needed to live longer and oh well, shes still here, shes a terrible creature, both her and her uncle are just gnarly mugs and i am the only one in the world that neither one of them would never bite. i do lov ethem, but not cause of that, at allol,
in addition
— Oct 09, 2009
i have had lengthy moral self-discussion
throughout my entire life
about this subject
when i was a child, my only true friends were
the animals my granny kept around
about 10 cats and two or three dogs
but, they were our friends
she rescued two horses from slaughter
anf they were my big friends lol
i wouldnt let anyone ride them and they lived in my yard
and i drew pictures of them
once a boy asked if i could keep his dog "magic"
for a week or two til he returned
he returned about 6 months later and
i learne dabout attachment and its sillyness
i never really had another pet till i found a solid white kitten next to a chicken house, they would kill it soon, so i sheltered it
she had babies, and all died but one from some poison in the field
latr in life, being married and subject
i was forced to become friends with this pitbull boy
i would not choose to acquire a pet
he had a hard upbringing and was relieved to find refuge with me
his breeder was too harsh
later i also recieved his niece who also faced the same extinction scenario
i also took her in, these two taught me how an extrememly capable being
can be filed down into a blob
and that domesticates thrive on attention
then half wild light calico girl cat
sought refuge on my porch
im guessin she was pregnant already
i have seen her in every depiction
lighthearted and free
pregnant and worried
hungry and tired
she faces the same tribulations that we do
but she cant choose wrong
she has had four litters under my care
i am like her lady in waiting/midwife
she produces life, by her own rule
but she lives halfway between
she recognizes her burden
but never wavers
because there literally is nothing else to do
if asked if she would rather live a spawn-free life
of comfort with someone better off than me who could provide more luxuries
she would not, but if asked if she would rather live a lif eof freedom where all of her spawn could be free instead of domesticated, i know thats all she wants
hopefully i get enough land to provide them with their own
no one has the right to take away anyones right to reproduce
thats hitler shit man
much less , no one has the right to kill you becuase you are free
they can find an animal on the side of the friggin road
and kill it!!!!!!!!!!!
talk about animal cruelty
now they actually have badges and carry guns
one stopped in my yard about a year ago
because a big white pitbull (mines black)
was eating peoples cats and chickens
i know him, and he is BIG! LOL
and thats what they get
id eat your chickens too
RAWR!!!
sumthins wrong an we cant stand still!!!
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— Oct 09, 2009
I think that with dogs and cats especially, it probably started as a partnership, like other animals partner with one another to accomplish goals or even live symbiotically, and at their best, a lot of human relationships are still like that. There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion. And without us, animals might live more natural lives but then again not nearly as many of them would exist and they would not have food and be protected.
It's a big tradeoff. The only solution would be to ask your cat or dog what they think about it. It's not up to us to decide what's best for them.
we are
— Oct 10, 2009
relative
perry farrell
sang about htis in '92
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpkmtweNQ-U
its important i think to consider the relative parallels
between the animals and us
when you look at equations from different variables
sometimes you can find patterns or infractions
that concur OR are off by like .001
it is important not to overlook infractions of logic
especially on a societal level
they can accumulate quickly
to me, saying it is okay to own a pet
is like saying its okay to have a slave
i cannot see the difference
we can be anyones friend
but why change its way of natural living
to suit your own
where is the logic in that
why would you even encourage it?
i feel the same way about horses
and camels
and especially elephants!
repeat: where is the logic in that?
so they can be UTILIZED!!! dun dun duhn!
let them utilize voluntarily
cause (when)we are settin such a damn good example (nervonia)
i welcome any helping appendage
but i refuse to hold anything against its will
(except for these hoowy baby kittens lol im too close to the road)
some will say, the animals like helping us
okay, yeah, like we like working? obviously!
lalalol
we need to learn to carry OUR own weight
and we need to be willing to share dominion appropriately
and likewise conduct OUR selves appropriately in the
"eyes of the world"
( i prefer earlier shows but this is not really an early song )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRS2gZhArhk
this makes me realize i may be being overly critical
but all things are like fractals
and break down to whatever that is
pets are probably mental pacifiers for the guilt of animal slaves /illum
<3
I think the energy will move
— Oct 11, 2009
I think the energy will move away from animals as pets as we step more into our god and goddess roles..
In this dimension, I think we have memories of when animals were our companions (like Dances with Wolves) and in clinging to those memories in this somewhat 'lessor' state we have (in which we have wiped our god and goddess memories clear.. in order to gain something more in the end) we have an imperfect form of the rmembrance of what it felt like to walk with animals as companions.. and thus what once walked with us as companions now we hold as pets..
I think we will eventually move back into the place where our animal brothers and sisters again walk with us as companions...
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here we are inside the dance of our creation.
the animals i am currently friends with
— Oct 11, 2009
made me understand what the noun familiar means
la familia
Interesting responses.
— Nov 08, 2011
I personally believe that there is no distinction between wild and tame species, but only individuals - much as in the human world. Some single animals even of the most dangerous species seem to have no problem interacting with humans as per http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTVMdzDFf4g
Experiments in animal genetics appear to show a genetic propensity in some individuals for tameness. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2010/09/06/mans-new-best-...
Each animal is a single individual and the way we treat them must ultimately be tailored with our knowledge, not only of the species but of the individual.
