Questions about the motive of AVATAR??

I didn't go see the movie because I felt the same way. It is a form of worship giving your energy away to this higher power instead of yourself. All I can say is I am staying on earth and not going with any being's, because this planet needs help. Remember that old Simpson's episode where the alien's came and took people away and then ate them? haha Trust only yourself, everyone else is already taken.

..was wondering about that very thing myself. Perhaps, the idea was to get us to identify with the indigenous people, so we're thinking in terms of unifying (like in the movie) under a common leader to defeat the alien "threat". I don't know if there IS an alien threat, but I'm pretty confident about there being an alien presence. Reagan gave a speech when he was in office that offered the idea of all nations coming together, setting aside their differences to address a possible global attack from an alien race. You can look it up, you'll find it. I'm paraphrasing, but you get the idea.
Could be the one's our governments are already in cahoots with, could be one of the many that share this universe with us. Like, if it's a 'good' alien race and they sought to liberate us with technology and what have you - clearly that would threaten the current power structure, one that sets up obstacles for employing free energy, or relinquishing us from our fossil-fuels-leash. With the establishment's penchant for lying, you can pretty much count on them lying to us about what's really happening.

That being said, I loved the movie. I am, however aware that we're on the receiving end of an array of warfare, both psychological and chemical and that this film could very well be a tool of misdirection. Similar energy has been re-directed in the past like in the Vietnam Era.

Awareness has it's advantages and disadvantages, I suppose. Those who aren't aware don't have to wrestle with questions like these. Those who are, get to do the kind of mental acrobatics that we're doing here and still not have a definite answer. I wish it could just be a great movie with a great message.
For me, for now - that's what it is.
Great post.

The people at the top are not as clever as you think they are.
Their need to control is based on greed, so the shadow of material lack is in the forefront (read: is a key motivation) of "their" actions.

The Oneness is behind ALL that exists, so do not fret or give your power away to the dark forces which serve to separate.

Avatar was made by James Cameron, a self-proclaimed environmentalist and very left-leaning fellow.

I saw the film and felt that its great anti-military message was quite powerful and healthy for the U.S. Considering that Avatar has gotten so much press, I found it encouraging that "the most expensive film ever made" could use the high-tech 3D to put us that much closer to the vulnerable, in times of war, which both literally and culturally we wage every day, with such arrogance.

In other words, I think it's pretty awesome that this film is being marketed toward the masses, because how else are we going to inspire people to want to educate themselves, if not through any medium available?

^agree with Meg

I also agree with Meg. There's really nothing complicated about this whatsoever. Conspiracies and conspiracy theories have no relevance. All that matters is the global society coming together in a symbiotic relationship working together in harmony with each other, the planet, and all life while maintaining our focus on peace, happiness, prosperity, and Unconditional Love for All.

My family and I watched the movie in 3D twice. It is an extraordinarily beautiful movie. I'm well aware of institutions such as governments, religions, and corporations conspiring or taking advantage of society for their own power and greed, but again that is completely insignificant and no longer has any relevance. Whether their was a motive behind this movie or not makes no difference to me. The movie was very enjoyable and inspiring. If James Cameron makes a fortune off the movie then so be it. I congratulate him on his fortune. He well deserves everything he gets. I would gladly pay to watch it again.

I absolutely loved the movie.
Ego: Industrialized war machine.
Spirit: Oneness & peaceful harmony with nature.

Spirit wins. Great film. We need more like it.

The visuals for our connectivity with nature was awesome.

One thing I think people fail to consider is that those they see as tyrants (i.e., George Bush, Rupert Murdoch) are likely doing what they think is the right thing. Yes, their intentions may not be pure and their actions are certainly misguided, but can we really say that they are all up for a power-hungry takeover, with subjegation being their goal? I find this unlikely.

More likely is that their ideologies are twisted, their intellect clouded by personal gain and others in their circle that feel the same, others whose personal influences cause those in power to get confused with all the responsibilities involved with great wealth. Get into a job as a corporate CEO, and one can see how it starts to happen. You are allowed to take a jet for a business reason, and then a reason comes up that can be justified as business, but need not be such. Do you take the jet? You might.

Understanding that most people are trying to do what they believe is right (and overlooking the things they are doing that are not) is my personal opinion on how to view people in huge positions of power. Bill Gates has probably committed heinous crimes agains humanity, directly or indirectly, but were those his intentions? Often, when enormous wealth is concerned, power is in the hands of so many, that the people who share it can't keep all their influences together.

Not that I'm excusing things they do I don't agree with, media takeover being one of them. But motives may often be less complicated than people give them credit for.

And excellent thoughts psychegram! :-) I for the most part agree.

"With great power comes great responsibility." - Stan Lee (via Peter Parker)

yes, good point, it is most definitely not useless. it is definitely useful to examine possible sides of things. thank you for reminding me, this was a very thoughtful discussion and i've enjoyed being a part of it.

"With great power comes great responsibility." - Stan Lee (via Peter Parker)

Fox are just after the money and do not care if what they produce is subversive or not. They produce The Simpsons after all which even goes so far as to attack fox itself. They can do so because of the money they are sure to bring in - just like Cameron.

I didn't see any point in Avatar which claimed that humans were innately evil. There were a number of heroic humans in the film. The organisations that were depicted as evil were those that put profit before ethics. The same that most of us on this site would see as wrong.

I can't believe that a movie comes along that says respect your planet, everything is connected and metaphorically presents a modern tale of Jungian individuation in that the modern character fully integrates his shadow and STILL we see conspiracies, propaganda and misinformation. It's up to you how you interpret a movie and if somebody managed to come away from that film wishing that aliens could come and destroy the human race then they are truly a sick individual.

If you're reading this post and you haven't seen it please don't let what people are saying put you off. It's a simple story extremely well told.

I was one of the marines that didn't get killed in the end, and was sent back to Earth together with other losers. Because they killed all my superiors I had to report to the President myself. I told him that all fifty helicopters were destroyed and almost all spaceships too. I also told him that more than 250 marines lost their lives (and at least 500 savages and 200 animals where bombed or napalmed or anyhow stabbed or destroyed), while trying to protect innocent mine workers and that the cost of damage is more than 30 billion USD. So I think you know what follows...Avatar2

Sorry for that, but there was just too much! 1h or more of very loud WAR . I think there were two messages in this movie.

First – You must defend freedom at all costs! Heard that before. But they didn't want to fight, they where forced to... Yeah I know. They didn't have a choice... Well that's the problem. There just must be some war in the movie, right? Fight for freedom. Some explosions and killings – that is reality. Well if that's reality the other must be an ILLUSION.

Second message is the one that we all like. To connect with nature and live in harmony with all living beings. If you forget about war propaganda shit, this part of the movie was just great. Wonderful! For that reason its a Must see! I believe that's still possible. That's the reason why we are here, right?

With all due respect...

Until you have seen the movie "personally" in 3-D at an Imax theater then what sense does it make to comment upon it at all?

If you have actually seen the movie then please disregard this message unless you are REALLY interested in this topic. :o)

If you are making a "theoretical" conclusion, a conclusion NOT based upon "fact", then are you not just as if not more "at fault" for any negativity that you may be imagining or experiencing?

This is what I see as the problem with people condemning religions and esoteric philosophies without understanding the metaphors or symbolic representations of the wisdom-oriented information.

Ultimately there is no negativity in the world, there is only the reactive perception of negativity due to the misunderstanding of the situation being evaluated. If you truly understand something then there is no way to be upset about it...because...true understanding facilitates usefully-communicated "solutions" or alternative possibilities. Without the proper understanding of something then it is literally impossible to effectively communicate an alternative possibility.

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Cognitive dissonance is a challenge we're often confronted with these days, and the power of being a conscious observer is more important now than ever.

I saw the film in 3D in Imax with great seats and close friends, and I loved the film. The original post is 100% valid, because you do end up rooting for aliens vs humans, and the average humans are depicted as sneering at spirituality of any kind. It's not an optimistic picture of the masses.

But thankfully, as the dualistic nature of things reaches a greater amplitude, the possible negative imprinting plays its hand too strong and misses the mark. I choose to believe that the average individual sitting in their seat, when confronted with who they identify with, can handle the conflicting messages in their head and see the truth. The individual empathizes with the side of spirit, love, nature, truth, what is genuinely human, and can see the corporate/gun-for-hire drones for what they are: a sad lesson from our present that needs to be learned from now!

We are more than this. We have teachers among us. There is wisdom to be shared. There are ways that have not been forgotten. We all have much to learn, but we're ready. Let's all as individuals learn the right lessons from whatever message filters our way, and enjoy a psychedelic alien world while we're at it.

Sorry to say... I loved the movie just like everyone else... BUT:

Why is it that the alien race kicked the corporations ass and just exiled them from the planet???

For one thing, for 20mil per kilo (or whatever) they're coming back for the mineral in about 6 years or so...

BUT MAINLY, the notion that kicking ass and taking names is the end of the story is preposterous!!! Why the alien race, who are so in tune with the natural world didn't try to teach anything to the human/corporations is beyond me...

Why not escort the humans back to their planet, and for the 6 years of transport time, teach them ways to live with the natural world, sending them off into their world as emissaries of sorts, to teach the other humans how to live more in harmony with each other and their natural settings???

Comments please...

When you drink from the stream, remember the spring... -Chinese proverb

I just saw the movie and to me the message was that it sucks to destroy a planet. I LOVED hearing the main character talk about how fascinating it was when the woman alien talked about networks of energy flowing through the planet, and how energy is only ever borrowed from the whole. I also LOVED the idea (Sigourney Weaver said) that the roots of the trees encompassed a data or information flow or system, and that the Navi could tap into it. I think there are so many beautiful metaphors in this movie for OUR planet, which could also be a beautiful crazy wonderland of nature if we let it go wild, and which is also a crazy amazing network of energy and information when we let it be. Also, not all humans were the "enemy" in this movie, just the ones who were dedicated to the "BIG AMERICA" movement. Several humans fell in love with the planet the way it was and fought, along with the planet's innate energy and strength, to keep it that way.

I saw Avatar last night. Today I was going back and forth with liking and despising the film, so here are my two cents.

1. I am happy to see people here questioning the intention of the film and the filmmakers and producers. It is great to see the conversations go beyond this is the greatest mythic film or this film is cliche' and poorly acted. It is good to question and see different sides and points of views so we all learn from each other.

2.This film is powerful. It is powerful because of the dialogue it is sparking here and among people from around the world. It must be acknowledged as so and that James Cameron is a master at imagery, technology and self promotion. Weather or not you like or dislike the message of the film let us contemplate a great artist at work. It is with out a doubt a stunning piece of work.

3. On one hand I felt the hand of manipulation with the message that man is evil. That America is evil. That the soldiers are evil. There is something wrong in that message. It is a message of guilt and dis-empowering and control.

Osho said"...cunning people have dominated humanity. And they found out very early on that if you want to dominate humanity, make it weak, make it feel guilty, make it feel unworthy. Destroy its dignity, take all glory away from it, humiliate it. And they have found such subtle ways of humiliation that they don't come in the picture at all; they leave it to you to humiliate yourself, to destroy yourself. They have taught you a kind of slow suicide."

The dog soldiers are the ones who die most. They are the common man that represents why America is bad. The evil antagonist is a high paid attack dog, not the one who pulls the string. So let us all feel guilty, that we are killing the planet, instead of who most people are manipulated by the cunning people. When you combine strong emotional content and powerful audio and visual imagery you are creating magick. Be aware when someones tells you you are bad. It is just a unbalanced ego mind feeding their own distortion.

4. BUT on the other side. Is it not true that a lot of people are not living as a full human being? That the Na'vi are more human then the humans? What would happen if all the soldiers in real life, just stop fighting? Just stopped like Sully and Trudy did ?

5. This is the man who created one of the most powerful anti nuke films ever The Abyss. Terminator, and Aliens are so subversive in their own ways. You and I have no real idea what Cameron has in his mind and inner soul. (If you do let me know, because I have a great idea for a sci-fi flick! LOL). Think about it. The dude must have a true warrior heart to be able to wrangle 300-5oo million dollars for a film where the good guys are tribal people going against the Military. To show spiritual and earth based principles that most of us here take for granted as truth. AND to do so in a mega mainstream film.

6.There will most likely be Avatar 2 and 3. If so then this film is just the first act. The story will go deeper and darker and hopefully address the nature of power over, instead of power with. If these films are made, let us hold the final judgment of what Avatar is really telling until the whole story is told.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ajk88/avatar_623575721_worldw...

The question starting the thread is ""Avatar" -- $623,575,721 worldwide. If so many people are drawn to the themes of this movie, why can't we straighten out our world? "

My favorite answer:

"The environment doesn't have Cameron's advertising budget"