Grounded, intigrated spirituality

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I am curious with all fo the talk on spiritual perspectives and practice here, what the outcome of your practice is in your daily life? How is it effective in making changes in how we live, in how we relate to others and mot importantly what we do? How does it effect the social and ecological impact your life style has on the planet and those that share this planet with you. How does it effect piracy off the Somalian coast? how does it effect the shuar people and their fight to keep oil companies from polluting and destorying their rainforest home land? How does it impact the ghettos and the slums of the world? how does it impact sexual abuse in rural american counties. How does it effect the lives of the developmentally disabled? How does it impact the amount of pollution that the typical western lifestsyle produces via entertaining a global consumer culture? How does it effect global warming, or climate change? How is it intigrated in what you do and how what you do is effecting not only your personal life but all of us, human and other than human persons that we share this world with? How does it effect the dead racoons and deer on the side of the road? Or the oil in the gulf coast?
How is it intigrated and grounded in what you do, how you behave, how you serve, if your serve. How does it change your life in a way that lightens the foot step?

I only ask because I am fascinated by how people intigrate their spiritual path in their daily lives and how it impacts all of us! Lets chat about it! inspire us and let us know how your spiritual path has impacted the world! if this site is dedicated to a social movment that means that the perspectives we share here must be part of a change that we fascilitate with these practices. So how is that happening for you?

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"I am not sure what effect

"I am not sure what effect my spirituality, or yours, or anyone else's will have on pirates, oil companies, ghettos, sex abuse, the disabled, pollution, global warming, and so forth."

I do not think that its a hard thing to figure out... some examples could be the Quakers who do not participate in warfare. Another could be those who are dedicated to serviing others as a part of their spiritual practice. For some ecological activism is an aspect of their spiritual pratice, some site in trees, some refuse from supporting specific industries that exploit natural resources and people. I think its fairly simple to see what effect your spiritual practice has on the world around you. If it is not easy to see then perhaps your spiritual practice does not have much of a benificual impact on others around you. Which is fine if thats what your going for, though maybe a bit self centered... which I think many of us are starting to figure out is a problem.
A great example to me has always been the vietnamese Buddhist monk who lit himself on fire in protest of the war. I think the impact of his spiritual path has left an imprint on many people and how they view violence and war. I think Ghandi and his practice of passive resistance is another amazing example.

For some people its just being nice to strangers...

It doesn't effect anything

There are a lot of curious side effects to living a spiritual/occultish life. Some people claim they can do extraordinary things. Maybe they can use those siddhis to change the world, if they care to take on that foolishly karmic responsibility.

You list worldly concerns for people living in a static reality. I don't belittle them with that statement, because those concerns are legitimate. If you still have the survival instinct, then being killed by pirates is definitely a problem. If you are worried about the continuation of the human race, then pollution/climate change/sustainability becomes a concern.

A true spiritual path would unravel the humanity in you. You realize all your problems, and the world's, stems from having a human body and the responsibilities that come with it. You wonder what you were like before you were born, and what you might be like after you die. How do worldly concerns apply to that?

Any choice to help out with the weight of the world is a personal choice. A spiritual path might help one cope with the human animal but it doesn't solve the quandary.

Granted, I make a distinction between a spiritual path and a new age/witchy one.

So your take is that

So your take is that service to others in an attempt to assist the world in its difficulties a worldly concern that is not entirely the focus of spiritual work? Ok fair enough. For some its true their spirutal path is a purely self centered endevour and focused around their own personal power and freedom, as well as pleasure and indulgences in some. I suppose for those a grounded and intigrated approach would be using their personal spiritual power to live the kind of life they wish to live regardless of its impact on the world arround them.
There are many of examples of this approach to spiritual practice...

wanted to answer but

I think that following a spiritual (loving, caring) path is something you do in all walks of life, all the time, with one's entire being. That is how I live my life - or I do my best in any case =)

dirrecting your love and

dirrecting your love and care where it is needed... is and always will be needed.
; )

~*~

Great question and well put. Part of my spiritual practice is biking. it connects me to me because I have to do all the work to get from A to B with my entire body instead of just hopping in the car and using only one foot. It also connects me to my breath, which is the source of everything, no breath no life, and it connects me to that breath in a smooth cyclical way. As opposed to the quick short breaths of joggers and the jarring motion of pounding your feet repeatedly on hard pavement biking is flowy and you breath with your body motions and you're outside as well and connecting to the forces and elements of the earth, even if some of those forces be cars and the elements be pollution.

Right now the gear cable on my bike is broken and it's all in the hardest gear, yet i keep on biking because without biking I start to feel weak and my body aches and I miss the long deep breaths and the connection to everything whilst moving in a very natural and flowy way inside and outside myself. I listen to Bob Marley or other music that lifts my soul and that I can sing to and it's super fun. I'm lifting my spirits, connecting to myself and to God and lessoning the impact my car has on the world. next is to get a trailer so I can do even more with my bike like get cat litter. I envision a world with a lot more bikers in it.

it also connects you to your childhood because everyone rode a bike when we were little. well, at least here, though bikes are kind of everywhere. I ran into a woman who had a nice bike and I struck up a convo with her about it and she told me that her husband is from Holland and is really into biking but she is not so much and this was only her second time back on her new bike cuz she fell off and broke 4 ribs. she's been afraid, but she's back on. We talked about how she wears a helmut because she is uncomfortable in her body and on the bike whilst in contrast I wear no helmut and usually bike pretty fast and I don't follow rules so much either and she recognized that being more comfortable would help and that she should keep on doing what she is doing so that someday she can take off the helmut she was complaining about.

She talked of how when she did yoga everyday she felt much better and confident and right in front of me she made a vow of sorts to just really get back on the horse and do yoga and keep biking so she could feel good in her God Given temple of a body again. It was pretty great to share so much with a "stranger" and have them turn their life around, at least with words and realizations, right in front of you. I keep thinking about her and hoping that she's giving it her best and that she's having fun too.

You just never know who you will run into when you are outside of your car and enjoying life. I hope all your practices bring you great joy. thank you.

Bikes to Rwanda
http://www.bikestorwanda.com/index.php?page_id=2

In Lak'ech Ala K'in

Now thats a really excellent

Now thats a really excellent response and example of an intigrated grounded spiritual path.

Great point!

I've asked myself the same question plenty of times.
I did a great deal of changes in my life, long before I started spiritual practices in my day to day life.
For me there is a point there, the need for "official" spiritual awakening and spiritual practices may not be that relevant because plenty are acting spiritualy, just by looking for trush, honesty, coherence, justice, etc in their lives.
For me evolving is much more than talking about "energies" and the likes, obviously not one being exclusive of the other (love to talk and research about spirituality!), it is in the little things in life and looking for a better one, earth, universe... and making the necessary changes. There is a reason for us being called "light-WORKERS", it is a great deal of work and efford!
But is a lovely journey!

life is life is life

i work with sustainability projects as my life´s work.
i consider practivism- what is the best way, using my skills abilities and resources, that I can influence the planetary sphere... in my case, i like science, music, and phsyics and engineering so i use those things to build techonlogies and transmit vibraitions that i beleive will help improve the situation and consciousness here on the earth..

and i strive for that, in my every living breath

also if i can i ground the positive energy i attract from meditation into my daily realm of people faces and actions.

its a never ending journey

Practivism! that is a

Practivism! that is a wonderful new term for me i love it!
Working towards sustainable practices is a wonderful and needed form of spiritual praxis!

After several years of

After several years of living life on the edge of my seat, fingers tapping on the keyboard. It would appear that someone locally has taken notice and invited me into her life to use my knowledge to help her transform her property into a home of abundance. I've already had an inspection of the premises and must say it's potential is vast. I don't want to say too much other than I get the sense that next couple months should be quite exciting.

"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."

Sounds like it will be a

Sounds like it will be a worth while endevour!

Grounded on a Globe thats Floating in Space

Feet on the Ground ... Head in the Clouds.

Without "trans-dimensional spirit" consciousness would never experience "revelation" ... forever locked within inertial relativity.

Awareness is of Spirit ... As there is not a one that know'eth not.

All paths are on it ... all descriptions include it ... though measurements but fragments of it.

Time and space Manifestation it's momentary expression.

Spirit has no practice outside of universal purpose

Ok... whats your example of

Ok... whats your example of praxis in assisting the world in the issues that present themselves then?

Life is not an Issue

All of life's so-called problems ... outside of the humanistic mind ... are organically limited to a little food, clothing shelter.

There is virtually no where on Earth, where humans have been that they don't "solve" these basic necessities ... and there for perfect being grounded.

It is only when the infamous mind can no longer integrate the "cosmic spirit" into such "organic groundedness" ... that we begin to invent a problematic existence .. forever speculating upon desires above and beyond necessity.

Matter "is" manifest spirit .. spirit is the very transcendental nature of stuff itself ... and not it's polarized fictional "other" ...

That there is Spirit in the densest realms of materiality ... and true substantially {groundedness} in the most subtle and loftiest ethereal realms ... well it is only the mind itself that creates such lack / hence duality ... when the same truth is literally everywhere ... in all forms, styles and mediums.

huh... ok. A co-worker the

huh... ok.

A co-worker the other day told me about the first time he worked in the prison system as a counselor... he had a client there who ate his one year old son, and had absolutely no remorse for doing so, infact he wouldnt stop talking about how great it was. The amazing thing was the guy was released and is walking amoung us today.

I guess thats just one of lifes "so called" problems... always love talking to you pipp...

Extremes Don't Come From Nowhere

I have always seen such extreme behavior as there to karmically balance out complacency.

Accentuate life and there is murder .. accentuate beauty and there is rape ... accentuate materials goods and there is theft ...

The amount of extreme types of sociological behavior ... all across the board ... has greatly increased in my 52 years.

Being of light and lofty nature ... well I have very little stomach for any such hard core activity .. yet philosophically I remain aloof from the ongoing "maya" of problem-making solutions ... seeing very well a self'- accentuating social body .. out of control from every angle ... literally causing it's own craziness.

No more shameless than shameful. One can often expect the worst case scenarios .. and even beyond ... as in that cannibalistic story.

Dark souls are here for reasons to ... the ones with truly "no remorse" are simply those "purer in their existential evil"

Will Charles Manson ever receive parole. Jeffery Dahmer didn't make it too long. I guess occasionally one slips through the cracks, although more likely the corrupt and fallen nature of the privatized prison system run by the morally corrupt elite probably actually enjoy the occasional releasing of such dangerous allies if only to keep the rest of us on edge ... while harboring those of minor drug offenses as if endlessly.

Your apathetic response to a

Your apathetic response to a child being eaten by his father litterlaly makes me ill.

Meant to Feel Ill

More philosophical than apathetic. Sorry you interpreted it that way. No need to "feel" anything beyond correct philosophical insight.

Such horrors are karmically shared and one's feelings alone will never solve the problem at the cause.

Until any of us / all of us get past the "good and evil" interpretations of life we just become part of the original polarization. You plainly stated that this child eater already had "no remorse"

So what you expect me to feel bad for him. My only real point was that evil never comes from nowhere .. nor does good.

There is so much "real evil" out there these days one only has their philosophical view points to keep them sane.

Feelings either evolve into philosophy or they deter from such. In these hard core times .. well for me the solid philosophies of ancient sages {Karma & Dharma} still hold true.

I see no modernistic / humanistic solutions actually solving the madness of today ... most of it just feeds the fire more.

So let us post a general scenario out there ... if this cannibalistic fellow actually thought to himself one day ... gosh that wasn't so good what I did ... and heard that Ayuasca helped to purge and/or rectify unwanted behavior.

He partakes ... for the first time he "sees" very intensely that all kinds of hellish subterranean suffering is awaiting him ... lest he rectify.

He subsequently surrenders his evil nature into a truly alchemical transformation of heart and soul ... becomes raw food vegan ... his son forgives him in a vision ... "Daddy, I know it was the very craziness of this present world state that drove you bonkers" ...

Moral / chemical / genetic ... whatever .. that such is all karmic ... no such thing as a rotten soul at core .. anywhere ... anytime ...

So after this genuine transformation would one let this man now play with your kids .. knowing his past.

Be careful how you answer .. as your own medicine is on the line .. lest the other side of apathy come into play.

one can talk themselves into

one can talk themselves into a circle and recognize apathy masquerading as philosophy...
i see no love of wisdom in what you say. only your self. wisdom without compassion is fools wisdom as they say. a fools ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting;a fools insight.
utter narcissism.

Cyclic

Yes .. life is forever cyclic ... talking in circles .. just like the seasons .. gradually leads one to wisdom.

Where as good and evil linear interpretations forever keep one locked up in judgment .... enjoy eating off the tree of such knowledge ... for me the serpent of such judgment tempt 'eth not.

One can hide in sentiment as easily as in lofty idealism ...

"One can hide in sentiment

"One can hide in sentiment as easily as in lofty idealism"
Its not lofty idealism to actually get up off your ass and help people who are suffering instead of sitting there pleasing yourself with philosophical self indulgence.

Okie Dokie

Getting off one's ass will never solve the cause ... but will only perpetuate the effect .. directly or indirectly ... and since your mood is already more antagonistic than thoughtful ...will leave you to such ass moving

Since I have first read your

Since I have first read your posts I have noticed one thing. I person who talks but does not walk... perhaps moving ones ass is walking their talk.

It will never solve the cause huh? Keep telling your self that man...
I will give you an example of how it does...
A guy was molested by a relative as a child... he went his whole live with PTSD from the event, and had no idea he had it. He had a heroin and meth habit and had begun to become fascinated with child pornography, which disturbed him greatly. He was diagnosed with PTSD and started therapy for it. He realized that his interest in drugs as well as the child porn where all symptoms of his PTSD from his childhood molestation and because of his sucessful therapy he no longer used hard drugsd or had any interest in child pornography any more. Many people who suffer from a trauma where they where victimized will traumatize other people. It was very possible that his treatment prevented the traumatization of another child or adult. This did not stopt he cause of his trauma, but it did potentially stop the cause of some one elses trauma. The person that helped this person with their PTSD did so because of their dedication to humble service.

My mood BTW is thoughtfully antogonistic when exposed to people who are delluded.

all ways are legitimane

I find this discussion a bit weird to be honest, and I appreciate you both very much, so let me say this:

All ways are legitimate - they can and should be discussed, and evaluated, of course, but one should be careful about the attitude "your way will never lead to anything/is the wrong way". No matter how "wrong" or "right" someone might be, or seem to be, no one of us has the kind of overview to know when someone is on the "wrong path". And maybe no one is on the wrong path.

Even people who seem to be completely on "bad paths" can turn around and/or suddenly discover or do something which will be incredibly good for humanity.

Besides - Buddha sat under a tree for 7 years... Mother Theresa was moving her ass all day... Was one of them better than the other?

I direct this reply to you both, but I especially want to ask Pippalayana about this comment:
"Getting off one's ass will never solve the cause ... but will only perpetuate the effect .. directly or indirectly ..."
how on Earth do you know that for sure???? You sound very sure of yourself...

With love!
S

on life and living
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Buddha sat under a tree for

Buddha sat under a tree for 7 years to end suffering for all sentient beings. I do not preceive that as self serving spiritual practice, and the end result has had quite an impact on many people and the world. Much as mother terresas work.

Be sure that I am not judging any ones spiritual path but pointing out the flaws in logic I am presented with. Also I would say that saying that all ways are legitimate or that they are authentic; genuine; or being in compliance with the law; lawful; or reasonable is not always true really. For example I could be asked to be respectful of all ways. But some ways impact others with their selfness quite dramaticly. An example would perhaps be the spiritual practices of racist neo-nazi nordic pagans who love their black metal and burn down churches. I cannot respect that personally, and I do not. I also do not feel that their way is legitimate in any sense of the definition.

My interesting in this blog post was to ask if people saw how their spiritual practice impacted the world around them. Some people gave excellent examples of ones that did, some people posted responses stating that their spiritual practice was for them and them alone and did not see that it needed to impact the world around them, that it was for their personal power and thats it. Both exmaples where honest and straight forward.
Pipps responses went around the subject in circles and to was an excellent example of a delluded philosophical rational for apathy with out being honest about it. From what I have read of pipps responses to posts in the past is that they are frequently if not always like this. Which I would have no problem with if he was just open about that fact instead of masking it in extrodinarily trite philosophical excuses and banter.
If he was to say...
" Its really just all about me, and this is why ________ ." (fill in the blank with philosophical banter) I would aplluad him for his honesty, frankness and openess. But he doesnt do that but instead points out the foolishness of service to others, ignoring his own impact on the world and encouraging others to do the same backing such claims with his age dropping and vast experience.

communicating is something

If Pippalayana would be completely apathetic he would not be communicating with us about his view of things at all. So he is doing something, and I think he is spreading some interesting insights, although I do not agree with everything he says.

Personally I have a completely different approach, and I did not really put it into print last time I answered this, partly because of a lack of time, and partly because I felt like every time I started to write something, I felt like I was bragging. I was thinking quite a bit about this feeling, very interesting, seems I have some insecurity issues here.

So to get over those, and honour your question in a better way, I'll be a bit more eloquent now:

Personally I have helped people all my life. Ever since kindergarten I have been known as someone "you can talk to", and I talk to all from friends and family to strangers on the train for example. I see an immediate impact all the time. I also do free healings and readings of all kinds (with or without cards or other means of help), or for some exchange, but never money. I dedicate my whole existence - my film work, my essays, my studies, to understand and bring others understanding of humans and spirituality, and love. Love, understanding and respect for other people's differences are my mayor themes, with love as the mayor tune in my world.

I also always do my best in solving conflicts around me if I feel that it is my place to do so, as well as connecting people with others who might be useful to them.

I also speak to spirits, and do at least one spiritual practise per day to keep on top - doing my best with that =) I feel that this also has an impact, and so does the prayers for others (no matter if friends or people in distress in the world), communications with Existence/GoddessGod and the thoughts of gratefulness I send out every day. All this seem to have an impact not only in my life, but in that of my surroundings - and I love it. The day I discovered that I can heal with just putting my hands on someone was the happiest day in my life - it was so great for me to know that I could use love as an energy to heal people, since I had done my best to help and inspire everyone in my surrounding all my life. I was young and felt that with this power of love I can save the world. So can we all =)

Something else I do now is to write down all the songs I channel when in meditation all my life, and finally spreading them. To spread my thoughts and insights is the thing for me now, and I will come out with more stuff soon I hope. I have been healing a birth trauma lately, which has finally freed me from some mayor blockades which held my creativity back (on a physical level). This is a truly great experience!

Talking about traumas - of course the mayor work of any sentient being is the work on oneself. I have put greater priority on this as I grew older, which of course has made the help and inspiration I can give others much more efficient. And every time I heal something in myself, I can see an immediate response in the related people in my life - this I find amazing, but logical.

With love!
S

on life and living
you are unique - all you do is ground-breaking

Thanks very lovely susan...

Thanks very lovely susan... thank you for your response wonderful examples.

"If Pippalayana would be completely apathetic he would not be communicating with us about his view of things at all. So he is doing something, and I think he is spreading some interesting insights, although I do not agree with everything he says."

It is more then possible for one to be apathetic and then communicate with others out of total and complete self service and narcisism.

Glad you liked it =)

Thanks - and thanks for asking =)
It was very liberating to write this down, feels good!

"It is more then possible for one to be apathetic and then communicate with others out of total and complete self service and narcisism."

True - and I particularly do not like the personal attacks in the response below. The "this might be above you"-type of comments are so unnecessary...

Da nadda sister! yeah well

Da nadda sister!

yeah well the " this might be above you'' thing is pretty common saddly...
To which I think this is an appropriate response...

''Dalai Lama- My true religion, my simple faith is in love and compassion. There is no need for complicated philosophy, doctrine, or dogma. Our own heart, our own mind, is the temple. The doctrine is compassion. Love for others and respect for their rights and dignity, no matter who or what they are - these are ultimately all we need."

Asinine

Please slow down your semi-intellectual knee-jerk responses ... pausing for the {philosophical cause ... even if only for moment .. tender such passionate compassion with a little "dispassion" and may, just may gain even a sense of the philosophical context of what I am saying.

One cannot confront a philosophical dilemma with mere sociological concerns, as heartfelt as they are ... in Taoism it is said ... "a wise man does nothing and leaves nothing undone"

In the "Bhagavad Gita" ... Vedic Scripture .. there is a whole Chapter on Inaction within Action ... and Action within inaction ... but "does" take philosophical insight to gain the appropriate context .. possibly leading to wisdom.

There is no evil that has ever arisen outside of karmically {polarization} being in relation to excessive good. There is no one who strives for good works without trying to rectify bad, or evil.

In Biblical Mysticism this is refereed to as the "Tree of Knowledge" .. the goodie goodie's verses the badie badies. It will forever be an endless non-satisfying meal for all who partake of such fruit .. merely judging each other for all eternity.

For every murder there is life lived in excess somewhere .. no one gets bad for no reason.

For every pious charity there is fear of bad that acts as a so-called inspiration ... endless cycle until the original cause is confronted.

Both sides can stop at any time and pause for the philosophical cause .. but such is extraordinarily rare .. from either side.

If one studies human History it is all too painstakingly evident that the fruits of this mythical tree are taken again and again .. and no society is ever free from such duality.

This is called ... {in philosophical circles} .. "chewing the chewed" ... one individual, group, or society picks up where the other left off and continues to chew what has already been chewed ... none the wiser.

Yet in every social tradition it is those who step back and reflect on this overall dilemma that leave behind the timeless, non-dual Transcendental teachings ...

Both Jesus and Buddha not only refuted evil {Satan/Mara} in their final fasts and meditations .. but also Celestial temptations .. the so-called good fruits ..

I apologize if this is unfathomable for you .. or that you think I am all lip service to a nonsensical premise ... but myself, being a mystic true to core, in my own right ... for better or for worse .. {the mystic the baker, the candlestick maker} ... I can only offer the appropriate insight for those that are on similar path.

If, as a society we want to stop theft .. stop aggrandizing material things ... if you want to stop rape ... stop glorifying sex ... if you want to stop murder .. stop accentuating the value of a mere temporary and transitory life .. so say'eth the Sages all throughout time.

For many of us it will take going through this cycle/these cycles many a time {s}.. possibly even lifetimes {Samara-Sanskrit} before one gains the insight to actually transcend relativity via revelation.

My stage of Mysticism remains at the "Muni" stage .. {Pippalayana Muni} which is below the Guru, Sage, Saint,and Prophet stage so I am certainly not in a position to tell any one exactly where they are at in all this.

But being of such attainment {Muni} I can certainly, and consistently verify just where the philosophical path has been left behind for psycho-sociological one.

Not to judge .. but to offer awareness of the distinction. I in no way ever decry any type of pious help to those in distress. There is no need. Balance will always come about only with such endeavors .. but such endeavors will never be goals in themselves ... just like evil has no existential purpose outside of tempering complacent sloth with it's piecing edge ...

In both cases balance is all that is left.

They crucified Jeshua, they gave Socrates Hemlock .. it is never quite popular to stop eating off such tree .. however small or large the sagacious restraint .. polarity is the name of the game that feeds the endless fire .. having swallowed such fruit.

My ass cannot be budged .. like the stubbornest burrow/donkey/or mule ... by such fruit .. yet with even the slightest scent of the "Tree of Life" fruit .. I am so far down the ass-moving path ... well talking your walk .. and walking your talk 'tis but a breeze

"I apologize if this is

"I apologize if this is unfathomable for you .. or that you think I am all lip service to a nonsensical premise ... but myself, being a mystic true to core, in my own right ... for better or for worse .. {the mystic the baker, the candlestick maker} ... I can only offer the appropriate insight for those that are on similar path."

Unfathomable? not at all... I follow you completely... even as a psuedo intellectual. But what would that path be? Is it a path of lip service? Because those indeed exist Pipp! And who is to say that it is appropriate?

"If, as a society we want to stop theft .. stop aggrandizing material things ... if you want to stop rape ... stop glorifying sex ... if you want to stop murder .. stop accentuating the value of a mere temporary and transitory life .. so say'eth the Sages all throughout time."

Right such an easy thing to say! How are you assiting in that process? And in the process how are you assiting those who are impacted along the way of this grand "stopping"?

"For many of us it will take going through this cycle/these cycles many a time {s}.. possibly even lifetimes {Samara-Sanskrit} before one gains the insight to actually transcend relativity via revelation."

Ok... sure...
There is this story of the meditator under a tree attempting to becoming enlightened...
Meanwhile one day an enlightened master walks by the man and the man under the tree asks him how many life times before I reach enlightment? The master looks at him and looks at the tree and says to him, " Count all of the leaves in this tree and that will be the number of lives you must live before you reach enlightment."
The moral of the story being that the man was setting him self up for that limitation. You are essentially doing the same thing, but to others, projecting the conditions of enlightment which you your self feel you have not reached yet upon others. A bit of a diservice dont you think? Regardless i reflect that back to you and take none for myself thank you.

"My stage of Mysticism remains at the "Muni" stage .. {Pippalayana Muni} which is below the Guru, Sage, Saint,and Prophet stage so I am certainly not in a position to tell any one exactly where they are at in all this."

Yeah but yah just did in the above quote....

"My ass cannot be budged .. like the stubbornest burrow/donkey/or mule ... by such fruit .. yet with even the slightest scent of the "Tree of Life" fruit .. I am so far down the ass-moving path ... well talking your walk .. and walking your talk 'tis but a breeze"

Well at least your getting a little bit more honest about your motivation... to not move your ass. You could have just said that all the time...
To paraphrase then, I will not respond to human or non human suffering because doing so fans the fire or root cause of that suffering. So there for by doing nothing I stamp out the root cause.

many Arhat's have focused souly on themselves and not on service to find enlightenment... I dont agree with that philosophy myself, and see it as narcisism. Personally I tend to agree more with the statement that Trungpa made in saying "we are all born enlightened and spend the rest of our lives learning how to deal with confused people."

So while you sit seeking that which we all inately have I will be the fool and feel the light within humble service.

fair thee well... and more power to ya...

Hello! I was loking to

Hello! I was loking to "karma yoga" at evolver and I found your post. I love it. I am part of the World Shamanic Yoga Institute staff and we are making ourselves that question all the time. In the past, for a while I disconnected my "spiritual" practice from the surrounding world, from daily reality in the sense I didn't want to know anything about politics or social issues for instance. I wanted to be "unattached". After a while I realized there was something getting really imbalanced inside me. I can't continue growing and making the world around me grow if I want not to feel about it.
Now, my shamanic and yoga practice are focused in karma yoga. Actually, I am also part of the organization for International Karma Yoga Day. I am not saying that now I am into a party and doing politics in that sense but I strongly feel the importance of connecting with the communities I am part of. "Spirituality" can sometimes be just experienced as a chilling out practice. I have nothing against that but, for instance, when we get to contact with deep relaxation of the self and we experience the benefits of that release, we want to share, we want to help people around to be less stress but not in the way of escapism but in the way of self responsibility and growing out from fear, external pressure and unquestioned patterns.
There's something I could say about my idea of spirituality and its connection with daily life.
I invite you to take a look on www.international-karma-yoga-day.org we started this year having lots of cities involved considering we only had a couple months for spreading the word and the small -almost nothing- budget we had.
Namaste :-)

Very cool! karma Yoga,

Very cool!
karma Yoga, humble service... these are very important ways of grounding and intigrating your spiritual practice in your daily life, and the world around you for sure.
Its interesting... Ive found that in many cases spiritual practice can be for some very decentering, ungrounding, and almost an attempt to avoid the world around them... its usually quite clear to others with an intigrated appraoch to see this... its much harder for those who are in denile of this avoidance to preceive however, and their spiritual practice inevitably is just an aspect of narcisitic behaviour.
Really great organization BTW!

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