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September 24, 2010

I'm pretty new to all this stuff, but from my reading I'm pretty sure I've tapped into some sort of shamanic death rebirth thing in my psyche. Problem is I have no idea to proceed. I'm interested in holotropic breathing, but I have no idea what I would order to help me with this. In the mean time, I'm just doing some basic meditation stuff. Someone please help me with all this. I am so fucking stuck.

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Hi Manicman, I can

Hi Manicman,
I can really identify with your situation. I would suggest checking some of the books of Stanislav Grof. Try: The Cosmic Game: Explorations of the Frontiers of Human Consciousness. If you send me your email I can attach a copy of his latest book Holotropic Breathwork that he sent me. If you've got some money I can recommend a good therapist who's familiar with shamanism and Breathwork in the Boston area. I'd be happy to meet in person sometime if you want as well. I have been experiencing an psychic opening that has been taking me on quite a ride these last few months. This is really about finding your inner truth and identifying the dangerous energy we have accumulated from modern life.

Peace

from Brighton

Hey. Thing is I live in

Hey. Thing is I live in Amherst, not Boston. But if after that we can still arrange something I'd be very grateful. I'm a student so I don't have my own car or anything.

Also, yes I'm familiar with Stanislav Grof. I've read LSD psychotherapy, which is what indicated to me what I'm going through. I would love to try some holotropic breathwork given the chance.

Breathing

Well I don't get out to Amherst much, but in the meantime you could check out
http://www.spiritualemergence.info/

You can email me at regangibson@gmail.com if you want to check in.

Regan

Hey I have a few suggestions...

the book "Hero with a thousand faces" by Joseph Campbell really helped me when I felt archetypal death/rebirth things were acting out through my life. That, along with the non-dualist/enlightenment ideas in Adyashanti's "Emptiness Dancing" helped me anchor the teachings from altered state experiences by reminding me that what is essentially me, is eternal. All else can be stripped away, all limiting perspectives eventually die and the underlying light will always shine through.

It may be terrifying when you feel like you're "dying" especially with entheogenic agents, but just remember that it's OK to shed the skin, let old concepts of the limited, attached self go, because the deepest you is eternal. It's also useful to think of being in the present moment as that place between death and rebirth, where creation is constantly happening. Any attachment to a particular version of the self, as something and not all things, will suck one into the illusion of projections. To be fully in the moment is to be constantly dieing and rebirthing in each moment. It's about returning to the original face of innocence, wonder, awe and wonder - pure awareness of the mystery, without concepts to blind us from the true, ineffable, paradoxical, immanent, divine reality.

Hope that helps, it helped me get through some tough times, but always rewarding.

Holotropic Breathwork

Hi MM,
Check out these folks - http://www.dreamshadow.com/ - It isn't too far from where you are living, and you may be able to carpool there.
They are also running a workshop in Coastal Maine next month. www.bostonholotropic.com
Have you taken any yoga, medidtation or tai chi classes? Many yoga teachers have had to go through a sort of purgatorial experience to come out the other side and be a good teacher. Maybe explore that area as well.
Keep us posted!

I also concur, the people at

I also concur, the people at SEN are great.
One of the Grof's finest works.

Ok I'm actually doing hero

Ok I'm actually doing hero with a thousand faces for a book report, but I am familiar enough with conceptual knowledge. What I'd really like is some sort of practical technique. I mean the holotropic breathwork thing sounds like it might do it if I get the chance to go there.

it's okay to release this

Hi Manicman, this may sound odd or off-putting or unproductive, and if it does feel free to ignore. But you're looking for a practical technique, and barring the availability of other potential remedies, I'll tell you what I used to do when I got "so fucking stuck". Go to a private space, anywhere you feel comfortable that no one can see you or hear you or identify you or interrupt you. Then open your mouth and scream. Don't hold back. Make it as loud and raw and unfiltered and thoughtless as you can allow yourself to. You'll know when to stop.

Then go back to your meditation and feel the calm being, with nothing to obtain or fear.

Jason.

Jason, this is pretty good

Jason, this is pretty good advice. I have done this in the past, and it does seem effectual.

Learning to meditate can be a good first step as well as journaling.

Repeating rapidly a short mantra silently in your head like Sat, Nam, Ram, or Lam for 20 minutes is a very simple place to start. Give it time if it doesn't work right away.

Journaling... just write, brain dump and explore!

Hope you are doing well.

You know without reading

You know without reading your post I have actually been doing the screaming thing. Fuck dignity, I need relief.

Glad to hear it has

Glad to hear it has helped.
Dignity has it's time and place, but having that suit on all the time is worthless.

Would love to hear more about your experiences

Hi Manicman,
I'd love to hear more description of what the "shamanic death rebirth in your psyche" means for you. What are the signs telling you this is occurring? What are you feeling? What events are taking place? How did you feel different before than you do now? Can you articulate what the new feeling or perspective is that you sense coming into your life? Was there a situation (internal or external) that you feel lead you towards the rebirth taking place now? Obviously, you don't have to have the answers to these questions now to know that big change is taking place, but I found these questions helpful to ask myself when I was going through possibly a similar situation.
I personally went through a major rebirth/awakening in 1998 when I was just out of college. My experience was triggered by a sudden (and very sobering) realization that I no longer knew myself (For the record, there were no mind-altering substances involved. This was just a straight up crisis). Upon that moment of realization, I searched my mind for the last time something truly made me happy - the last time I truly LIKED something, regardless of other's views and persuasions. When I found I couldn't remember, I then had an hour-long nervous breakdown in which I eventually passed out and had a dream that forever changed my life. The dream showed me how it felt to be me before I knew there was a "me" to take into consideration. The perspective was experiencing the world through the eyes of a child. Feeling completely in the moment, with no self-consciousness, nor time-awareness. It was a perspective that had eluded me for potentially 7 years or more, without fully realizing it (I just always felt there was something *missing*) Yet, this dream gave me a reference point towards a state of consciousness that I knew I needed to pursue above all else in my life at that time, and so I began studying free-diving (prolonged breathold diving) in an attempt to recapture the vision I experienced in the dream. What I did not realize was that this would teach me how to meditate. Sure enough, this process of diving, which included slowing down my thoughts and metabolism, brought me back to the headspace I had in my dream, and at the same time, synchronicity in my life increased ten-fold. The more times throughout the day I consciously tried to recall that feeling of calm heightened awareness, the more that feeling became ingrained in me.
I don't know if this is anything like what you are experiencing (as I'm sure emotional rebirths are different for everybody), but if it is, reminding myself to mentally slow down (whether through yoga, diving, swimming, or randomly stopping to breath deeply in the middle of the day) helped me immensely. Writing music also helped me to solidify these feelings and perspectives into a solid form that I could understand better myself, as well as share with others. I'm sure any artistic medium could do this, as could words (keeping a journal became a daily ritual for me around that time).
Complimentary books I was reading during that time included Shakti Gawain's "Path of Transformation" and "Living in the Light" (especially her "world as your mirror" philosophy) eventually followed by Chögyam Trungpa's "Shambhala - the Sacred Path of the Warrior".

So now that I've gone on a story telling tangent *laugh*, I would love to hear yours, if you'd like to share it :)
Peace!
- Eartha -

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