Drugs are good, mmmmkay?

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People have so many opinions about drugs, like it's "cheating," or it's an escape from reality.. But drugs to me are something different. They are divine tools put here to help us expand our consciousness. I have been doing various drugs since I was 15, not to escape reality, but to get a better sense of what reality is. Drugs introduce us to parts of our brains that we may have never discovered on our own. I don't see anything wrong with doing drugs often as long as one has good intentions about the drug. It goes along with the idea that our intentions effect everything. I don't think drugs are damaging to the users when they have pure intentions about taking them. Even the horrible drugs like crack can teach the user loads of information about themselves and about God. Think about it. How many people became spiritual after an intense acid trip? How many people found god because of a drug addiction? The way I see it, drugs are good, period. I think training you brain to deal with every psychoactive substance is a good way to come very close to enlightenment, but the final and most important step will always be reaching inner peace with meditation.

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fuckin' aye

Hell yeah. Everyone does drugs. Call it what you want...caffeine, nicotine, xanax, diet mountain dew, mcdonalds, codependency, christianity. Only LSD never hurt anybody.

Explore your minds

Namaste

It's all in intention

Ever wonder why when someone has an addiction to something it starts physically damaging them, but when they did it for fun it did nothing bad? It's because the user's intention has gone from good to bad. That's why every time someone is unknowingly slipped acid they freak out, because it was taken under evil intention. The same is true when someone takes it because they are tired of life or whatever. I've never had a drug damage me or give me a negative experience because I take them with pure intentions.

maybe/maybe not

two years ago i had a painful physical problem for which i was given a script for generic demerol or something and i took it cuz i was hurting a lot and lah dee dah ( i was still a bit asleep) and though i took it with all good intentions it slowly turned on me. or not so slowly actually, it took three daze to sink in and the fourth bit me hard.

I was happy to be out of so much pain, but after day three i wanted to hurt things cuz everything was annoying me and i blanked out too once or twice and it wasn't spacing out, it was blanking out which is just bad and all in all it was horror in my mind. Those pills suppressed something and amped up other things and it was wierd and i'll never take another pill like that again. I didn't take it to be angry, it just happened. Anger is a product of suppression and suppression is all western pharmaceuticals do. only to make the problem pop up worse somewhere else and somewhere else until it's out of control and you're a western medical cocktail that no one wants to put a fun umbrella in anymore.

addictions sneak up on you, it is the nature of the not good drugs, the drugs that the machine has given in replacement for the ones they try to outlaw. it's a systematic replacement, all the way down the line, from the beginning frequency of life itself to the last consciousness numbing drug they pump into your near dead carcass in the dreary boring hospital when you die. a systematic replacement that must be replaced in turn.

i'm glad you never had a bad experience hawk, though some of life's greater lessons are therein contained. learning how to transmute it all being number one cuz it's always gotta be good right? good in your head and heart, 24/7 or else things don't work quite right. right? righty right. or left, whichever you prefer.

In Lak'ech Ala K'in

Exactly man. Every

Exactly man.
Every experience I've had starting with THC to my first psychoactive "trip" experience with DXM (a very, very very very very crazy drug, I was young and ignorant until I withheld what it had to show me) into my first experience with psilocybin mushrooms (my favorite, but i'm sure once I try LSD for the first time my eyes will yet again be opened still even wider than before) has had, more or less, extremely positive results in opening up my psyche, and actually beginning to understand things and see them for what they are in all actuality. It's like with marijuana, for example, there is very simply put either a positive influence and experience in an individual or a negative, positive being where, I could honestly use myself as an example, they open one's self up into the psyche and a conscious realization of "Reality" (even in places, especially in places where the drugs (anti-depressants, MAOI's) being pushed down my throat, quite literally, were doing more damage than good, and once I realized I didn't have to listen to anyone or take any pills that I didn't need, stopped all of them as well as any psychiatric "help", and since then "all i need is a bag of weed", and it has helped me with psychological ailments more so than prescription drugs EVER have) and anyways, on a negative scale, can be abused and used for all the wrong reasons, which leads to further abuse in other, harder, drugs (this is why its called a GATEWAY DRUG) that often times are synthetic drugs like pain killers (too much of this), meth-amphetamines, etc etc.
So, to sum this all up, IN A WAY drugs are good, and IN A WAY, drugs are very bad. It's all based on personal mindset, and trust me I have watched too many good friends take the negative road, and waste away into themselves and their own world.
Moderation is the key. Only experiment in drugs if you think you can handle them, to me DRUGS are the synthetics that get to everyone, just like the prescription drugs I used to be forced into taking (which is weird, all those years I never felt a dependency, and have learned that I don't feel one to anything else at all) BUT entheogenic, NATURAL psychoactives and hallucinogenics like psilocybin, DMT and others, are our teachers, as believed by thousands across the world.
Namaste, all
-A

Amazing, ain't it?

What the conditioning, and nonstop barrage of propaganda from an government can to do to one's mind. The term DRUGS, negative in of itself. Could their even be a better word than medicines? I don't know.
The WAR ON DRUGS, is an all out war on civilians. All of you guys up there hit it on the head. What were once medicines are now evil scourges.
I do very well believe that there are destructive properties out there as well, but we all know what is real and what is not. What holds true meaning, and what is used for crutch or escape, or to be numb.
Suppression from our fearless leaders is a double standard at best. They, them...
enable the cartels to the south, then bust everyone here for having it.
Whatever involves money, great amounts of it, generally involves darkness to the absolute. They know war makes money. From incarceration of prisoners, to the rehab systems...it goes on and on.

Upside down for sure.

~*~

"I do very well believe that there are destructive properties out there as well, but we all know what is real and what is not. What holds true meaning, and what is used for crutch or escape, or to be numb."

that is very very true yet do we all know what is good and bad when it comes to "drugs"? everyone in the world? some people take prescription pain pills and see that as medicine and since prescribed by a "doctor" it is ok and not a drug after all or not a bad drug. it's a wierd word/mind game there. but i've taken my fair share of "whatever came my way pills" to strengthen my mind as well as numb the demons for a while, but also to see what's inside the mind of western medicine and my friends...it's so not good. those are drugs better left unexamined from now on.

pseudo-drugs like whatever Dr. Whoever gives everyone who complains of the slightest weakness in their pinky toe can take a long walk off a short pier. they produce nothing but sloppy thinking and a sinking into nothingness yet...most people find nothing wrong with this because...It's "medicine". but it's not medicine, it's bunk. the whole lot of it behind the counter of death.

while advancements in the area of technology may be cool for the field of medicine, the "advancements" in "medicine" aren't so hot. Unless it came from Sasha Shulgin or someone aptly worthy of creating anything worth putting in our bodies to examine and repair ourselves with. Only nature can heal what nature put together in the first place. The machine can rip asunder, but it cannot heal. the machine knows no love and it knows no light and therefore nothing can grow in it's barren garden of bitterness and rage. i'm just really pretty sure that western "medicine" is a machine made mode of...something that doesn't include life or healing.

perhaps the lot of us on Evolver can see what is good and bad, but getting the rest of the humans out there to see it? or to even look at it just a little? not easy, yet...how can a problem be solved if no one wants to look at it? should we just take some more machine made pills to kill the pain and numb the negative whatever that is rising up to greet us like an insane jack in the box from another dimension? nope, cuz the problem is still goiing to be there when we wake up, again and again and again.

at least that's what it looks like to me cuz you'd think that with all the bloody hospitals in the world and all the freaking "medicines" floating around out there in god's divine cosmic soup that we, as a nation and as an entire species, would be feeling a heck of a lot better right now don't you? yet we are sicker and sicker by the minute and more and more deluded too.

seems it's time to clean the entire grand cosmic kitchen up and start a new batch of cosmic soup in our own personal cosmic soul kitchens kittens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ_tM5kz4vE

I say this cuz everyone is a part of the greater whole and so if my neighbor is taking pills and numbing his mind that means that a small part of me is doing that and a small part of you is doing that and when you add up how many small parts of us there are out there that are asleep at the wheel it gets to be quite a lot.

There are a great number of little parts of the whole world consciousness who are asleep at the wheel and that makes life a bit unstable and reckless for the lot who wish to stay awake and be intelligent and so on and so forth. We have to either wake the sleepers up or be prepared for the onslaught of long suppressed and soon to be unleashed demons and pain and whatever else is lurking in the dark within them. And the dark will rise against the light for one more fight, I think we all sense that in the air don't we? That's what we're all here for isn't it? a great world changing and cleansing event that we get to be co-creators of? We're here for a whole new world right? an awake world.

In Lak'ech Ala K'in

in short...

what circle bear said up there. redefining the terms and not generalizing anything anymore. the devil is in the details and there are a lot of details when it comes to this.

super pretty picture by the way. that's a good drug/medicine/mirror/teacher/lover/friend.
The mushroom in all it's gossamer holiness.
and super silliness too!

In Lak'ech Ala K'in

drinking

alcohol is a drug isn't it? it certainly drugs the person taking it and puts them in a "nice" cozy nappy poo spot within themselves and everything is ok and great but really it's not cuz alcohol ain't worth snot these daze, but that's just my opinion. Perhaps back in the daze before super sloppiness in the collective unconscious, but now we need to clean house and drunkenness often leads to not so good things. You often forget where you put things if you put them anywhere at all and i certainly didn't clean house much when i was drunk all the time. certainly i had loads of fun whilst drinking with friends, but at what physical and spiritual expense? Loaded to the gills with alcohol and pills only gets you back where you started. if you can see the beginning line at all that is.

People use alcohol willy nilly like is was mothers milk or something, but it's not. The Divine Nipple is not owned by nor does Anheuser Busch come out of it. Nor the Divine Bush for that matter. seems we need to wake up and fly straight as a collective whole doesn't it? or else we crash our new sport cars into telephone poles and wreck it all up. I'd say that experimenting with this drug could stand a break too. with so many wonderful and uplifting medicines and sacraments out there why do we continue to use and collectively abuse the one that really gets most of us into a depressive jam? and a moldy jam at that.

and look at all the waste that goes with it. cans upon cans of swill and smashed bottles on the side of the road and that hurts our mother who gave us all life doesn't it? Quite so, I doubt the earth likes it. Cripes, if a little LSD bottle ever managed to slip out of a pocket and smashed on the ground it would cause a milifraction of the damage a beer bottle does. And LSD will get you there and back again without fail, hail or slippery snails on which to step and slide and make you flail like...alcohol does. without avail. if you take no light shedding medicines to combat the depressive and suppressive qualities of alcohol then you are only sinking in a mire of darkness, a black hole of insanity. as far as i can see. And that's the lot of humanity, unfortunately: Sleeping sleepers dreaming, but...what kind of dreams are they dreaming to put back into the collective unconscious cosmic soup pot for us all to pick up on? There's a lot of people out there and even if you're homeless you still can get a beer and those cats need all the light and positivity they can get.

one simple gram of mushroom tea is gentle enough on the system and will give you what you need for an entire week and a whole eight costs like $20 so you could get a whole lot more for your hard won dollar than one, or even two , nights in a bar drinking something that only messes you up in wierd ways. in ways that make you lose control and be loud and puke on things and feel sick the next day cuz not everyone knows how to say enough, including me so that is why i just said "no more. ever" because why? what am i gaining? not much really. blurry memories and money gone to a very bad source.

In Lak'ech Ala K'in

yikes...

"I don't think drugs are damaging to the users when they have pure intentions about taking them. Even the horrible drugs like crack can teach the user loads of information about themselves and about God."

I just wanna start this by saying that i have done more than my fair share of "drugs", from lsd to shrooms, to pills, and all that lies in between.
I have also watched my brother (who is a very good person) ruin his life and destroy his relationship with my loving parents over those very drugs that you claim are not in any way bad.

While there is no disputing that many different drugs can show people the light, they can also do the exact opposite thing to others who are not so lucky-regardless of intention-even the "nice" ones like lsd and pot

I'm not writing this to try and say that doing drugs often is taking a cheap shortcut to enlightenment or anything like that, but I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that regardless of people's intentions, drugs can and are damaging to certain degrees. This is a simple fact. To deny it would be the same things as saying that one could jump off of a two story balcony, and as long as intentions were good, their legs would not break.
Yes, some people will have a lucky fall and be ok, and others who are very strong may be able to absorb the impact, but there are others yet who for whatever reason will not only break their legs, but also their spines.
I have watched this happen to multiple people, including myself.

If you ever walked into a narcotics anonymous meeting and tried to tell people that "the way i see it, drugs are good, period", you might get a very different response than you would from the folks on this website. And this is not because those people began taking drugs for the wrong reasons, or with bad intentions. Not all of them at least. It is because the brain was actually not made to deal with large amounts of extra chemicals being introduced to it. It can certainly handle these in some cases, and yes, there is evidence that we have a ton of cannibanoide receptors, but were we made to smoke crack? NO FUCKING WAY.

I dont mean to be overly aggressive about this issue, but what your saying here could be very dangerous if it were to get into the mind of a younger person.
The drugs that people can do depend on the individual that they are, not only on their intentions. Sometimes the worst things can come from the best of intentions, and the millions of deaths and ruined lives that have come from drugs are a prime example of that.
perhaps a better way to say it is that drugs are not immoral, period.
because they can certainly do bad things.

“No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.” -Albert Einstein

Well I was think that there

Well I was think that there were three kinds of drugs, uppers downers and psychedelics, and that only psychedelics were the only good ones. I then decided that well, guns don't kill people and drugs don't kill people, people kill people. I know drugs have their demons but it is up to the user to embrace and control them and not submit to them.

Utmost care

My best friend, one of the most intentional people i've ever known, killed himself in 2008.

He took a tumble from 60 feet off a cliff while rock climbing. . .and, lived. Sort of. He was in total coma for 4 days.

Long story short, is that 6 months later when he was discharged from the rehabilitation center was that he was released with a severe opiate addiction. Because of his lack of insurance he was offered no post mental health evaluations other than when he went to re-apply for his driver's license. Nor did he receive any more meds.

Oxycontin was the drug of choice. I have come to determine that nothing died from the fall, but from the overuse of opiates and being tied down to a bed for at least 3 months.

At one point in the reassembly of his psyche he believed that he was Jesus the Christ. He was already under the watchful eyes of nurses, but he was a body builder before his fall and the dude was huge. He broke his restraints and escaped from the rehab center in the middle of the night with his nurse following him. He kept repeating to the nurse that life will fail if he does not find the police and demand to be crucified. Which he found and then demanded of them, running more than 3 miles in just a hospital gown to find them.

Yes, psychoactives must be monitored with the utmost care and goddamn it by someone who has been humble enough to subject themselves to the psychoactive ego-crusher. No one else is possibly fit to interact with subjects such as my friend.

But much care my friends! Much care must be taken!

R. Todd Chinnock

Community Division Organizer

Inland Empire, California

www.commongoodbank.com

education

it comes down to education don't you think? If a person has no knowledge of what he or she is taking then how can they really know what it is going to do to them? People are fooled by western medicine into thinking pain meds are ok, but they are not. No one really tells them that addictions can occur or that they will make you snappy and crabby or that you will blank out. the doctor says "Here, take this and the pain will go away. while you "heal". You say "ok, gulp gulp gulp." and You go far far away for a while and the pain is gone but then you return and the pain is still there so you take another pill and you go away and you come back and golly the pain is still there! Why is that?

Because Pharmaceuticals have no intelligence. they are manufactured without any great intent other than to fuck your mind up really. I took kratom for pain relief and though it works on the opiate receptors and there is a chance of addiction it is also a highly intelligent plant that knows what it's doing and though you feel warm and fuzzy and out of some pain you are still here and are able to bridge a gap between the illness that is causing the pain and the way you should feel if there were no pain. You can think whilst on it and you can think about healing cuz kratom makes you think, it's designed by God for a purpose and the purpose is to alleviate the pain so you can work on making yourself better while still having a grounding in reality. If you are too far gone you cannot bridge any gap between sickness and health, you cannot bring yourself together because your mind cannot find your body and your body has lost it's mind.

people need to know what those bunk pills really do and why they were invented and they need to know of the options. Education can help people control themselves. In a world so out of balance and out of tune with the cosmic mother and out of control it's hard for people to just "get control." As a whole there is a great lack of physical conditioning out there and that means that mental conditioning has gone down the tubes, the boob tube, the television. The "tell a vision". People are being told what their visions should be instead of envisioning things for themselves and exercising their brains and bodies. it's grotesque at times what people have become due to laziness and so controlling the demons that come with some drugs is a miracle that i truly hope happens in the not so distant future. but something tells me that the wise and the shamanic are goiing to be doing a lot of the controlling since most people can't see right from wrong and truth from lie any more. they will in time but right now they are still sleeping their pill induced dreams of nothingness.

And it's no one's fault. it's like we're all just waking up slowly slowly so as to not rip the delicate fabric of reality and we find in our bedside chamber a monster that we have to dream away, but we have to dream it away whilst staying awake this time.

education. it comes down to education.

In Lak'ech Ala K'in

Yes, education is fundamental

100% behind you on that. How can we make progress towards educating our young compatriots that just because one trip saved your life doesn't mean the next one won't rip ya a new one.

Don't get me wrong, my mate is one who experienced the divinity of all things after a real hard core meth/crack binder. Yeah. . .then she quit and never did em again.

To me that is like some really good karma stored up in past lives that saved her butt from certain doom. Is using those potential karmic energies to get a good head spin worth the risk? Maybe, but I choose to take my risks with the veges from now on, no matter how epic those first two E pills were.

The blue on a mushy is good news, the blue in your pill? Who knows what the hell that is.

www.commongoodbank.com

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One of my good friends just passed away at the young age of 22 due to heroin. I cannot stand behind a blanket statement that drugs are good.

Drugs are useful, sometimes. YOU MUST KNOW WHERE THE LINE IS.

use with cation... that's all I have to say

SeRgIo

Yeah man! I agree! Every

Yeah man! I agree! Every time I try a new drug I have a crazy spiritual experience!! The first "drug" I ever tried (which I don't consider a drug) was THC, I love weed because I always just get quiet and my mind seems to project somewhere into the universe or the deepest thought. I tried Rolling and it was probably one of the most spiritual things I ever tried! I felt soooooo connected to my close friends, I felt the balance of the world, I understood everything for what it was. One of the biggest things I noticed aside from crazy deep thought processes and balances, was that I almost felt reborn, like living in the mechanical lifestyle that we all live in, I realized that every day stresses and stuff had made me live a mechanical lifestyle and that with all of these impediments I was not being myself! (which I had become once more on E) It was awesome and for the next month or so after taking E I had a new spiritual outlook on life that I still have today. (Although I will add that I think harder drugs aren't as good. I don't see much benefit in drugs like Meth, Heroin, etc. Even E can take good size chunks out of ur brain function if used too much.) I think probably the ultimate spiritual drug is DMT which I havent tried yet.

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