From Hitler to Venus: The Venus Project, The UN, and the NWO

Wow, I don't know where you are getting this dis-information from brother, but you really need to double check your sources. There's so much misleading and flat out wrong info that I can't even begin to pick your article apart.

The Zeitgeist Movement is based in critical thinking - and anyone that is blindly following along is missing the entire point.

Please excuse me Boadie. Erase my use of "brother" and insert "sister" - I guess being a white dominator male dies hard for NWO folks like myself...

I think this is a very important discussion to be having. I too have had reservations about the Venus Project. I haven't had time too delve into it too deeply, but one thing that always bothered me was the idea that technology is never value-neutral. That is, those that fund, create, and manage technology always do so for particular aims/purposes. Those purposed must enforced throughout the system, in some way or other. Whoever monitors, manages, or programs the management system will have god-like power over the entire system. Allocation of resources will always be a political act, insofar as it will require discernment, judgement, and interpretation, based upon a set of presuppositions of who/what gets what. Thus the entire project is suspect, in my mind. Who watches the watchers? If a solution is not local, then it is going to be inherently coercive if it is to be effectively implemented. This lends itself to enforcement, manipulation, and propaganda. Local control always has been, and always will be, the form of government that is most responsive to the needs of individuals and communities. The further one displaces the locus of power, the more detached become the decisions of the leaders from the needs of the individuals being governed.

"Know Thyself"

"The greatest thing I can do for you is work on myself, and the greatest thing you can do for me is work on yourself."--Ram Dass

The biggest problem I have always had with Zeitgeist and particularly the Venus Project is that its essentially rooted in philosophical materialism. Meaning, there is no reality beyond what you can perceive with your five senses. This is ultimately the limits of the scientific method, which is the foundation of the Venus Project.

That said, sitting around bickering about whether there is an intentional conspiracay, associations with the NWO, and wheterver else Alex Jones material you can rip off is the same dynamics as our everyday insane political paradigm.

"Take what you need and leave the rest." Peter has said a lot of things that needed to be articulated in an environment where that was very difficult in post 9-11 land. And he's clearly a pretty damn good artist (and musician) and filmmaker. He's come very close to pinning down some of the root causes of the failures of modern civilization, but clearly (to me) he has yet go a few levels deeper and understand the ego, duality and the limitations of the thinking mind ("a great tool but a horrible master").

Making posters calling people Nazis is a tactic best left to Tea Party ignoramuses, Glen Beck, Palin, etc.

As the opening quote illustrates, we're best spending a hell of a lot of time figuring out our own limitations and shortcomings before we start to attempt to fix the world around us.

I recommend watching this interview, where Peter himself acknowledges his own potential to be 'stuck in the box' in some of his thinking and ideas. He also addresses some common misconceptions about his perspective on religion and sprituality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw9IHJNB75E&feature=player_embedded

I'm not, nor do I want to be a member of TZM or TVP but I've enjoyed some thought (and idea) provoking commentary by its founders.

the idea behin the venus project is amazing bbut i wasnt aware of these other thing you say and im defo gonna look into it.. Lets say for instance it was a nwo operation we would not let them or be the first dead. what i do know for a fact is that there must be a change and so far this seems to make the most sence either way we should all try to be self saficent.

Peace

after reading the other comments on this its clear to me and i guess it always has been....we should take the good points out of the venus project wether or noth they are nwo is a diffrent matter and the idea of technoligy on that level dosent really sit well with me either . but we can defanitly use technoligy to a certain degree....

one thing i can be sure of is we need peace and drastic change right now for every being on this planet

Yeah I don't really agree either. I think the scariest part of The Venus Project is that it is a globalized system. Much like the theory of NWO etc. Both systems seed a globalized economy and world, but each have separate reasons for doing so. I think in a sense Venus Project isn't exactly the most pefect idea, but it is a pretty reasonable one if yo think about the populations addiction to technology and sense of rejection towards nature. Ideally I would like to see a primitivism-ish based society. Although I've always also liked the idea of technology balanced with Nature. So idk it's hard to say but Venus Project seems like an okay movement.

I read your article and you make a plausible argument. But being plausible is not always synonymous with being correct. I don't know if you are correct or not I can only give you some observations from my own experience.

First i would like to quote the Kalama Sutta of the Buddha, because i think it has some relevance here.
"Rely not on the teacher/person, but on the teaching.
Rely not on the words of the teaching, but on the spirit of the words.
Rely not on theory, but on experience.
Do not believe in anything simply because youhave heard it.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
Do not believe anything because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything because it is written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and
elders.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and the benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it." Kalama Sutta.

Whilst in the UK this summer (I'm British but live in Oman) I went to a local TZM meeting (The Yorkshire Zeitgeist Movement) and whilst it's true they were(gasp, shock) all white and male (I'm white and male - but oddly enough I don't judge other people harshly for not being white males), I found them very open minded and non-judgemental. Many seemed to be NWO clued up and talking about spirituality and making alliances with like minded groups. So my (admittedly limited) experience of TZM is one of people looking for inclusive solutions. I also went to a presentation by Jaque Fresco in Bristol. He quite explicitly stated (I'm paraphrasing) "I am not your leader" "Don't look to me for all your solutions" "The venus Project is only a blueprint" "Go out and do something". Didn't seem like an NWO stooge to me.

I've read a lot of books on quantum physics and I find Michio kaku's the most readable. So in my view he is a great science writer. I think depicting him and Jaque Fresco as Nazi Scientists is incorrect and in poor taste. Even if it were true it would still be in poor taste.

The idea of a world government is, in my view, not necessarily evil. The NWO agenda is evil but that doesn't mean that there can not be some form of world government that is not evil. I have an MSc in Water and Environmental Management, so I can tell you that, for example, managing water resources is best done at the level of the watershed. If we take the Himalayan watershed as an example(and this is a slight simplification), you might be dealing with Nepal, China, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Do you think if we leave the management of the watershed to these individual countries it will be fair and efficient and get agreement? Of course not. Also the management, while requiring local competence and co-operation, can not be done purely locally. A world government (theoretically) could manage this resource in the most efficient and equitable manner. I'm not saying that this would happen just that it could.

I absolutely think that some sort of Spiritual / Moral / Psychological / Philosophical paradigm change is necessary. But I also think some sort of nut-and-bolts blueprint is necessary for humanity to move forward and evolve. I think the strength of TZM and TVP is it gives a good nuts-and-bolts model. It may be true that Jaque Fresco and Peter Joseph don't think the Spiritual aspect of human life is as important or is necessary (you would have to ask them).

As I said I don't know if you are right or wrong about Peter Joseph et al, I hope not as to me TZM / TVP seem to be a necessary part (but not all) of the solution.

Peace from Oman.

Well you say you don't want an NWO. However I think you should realize that with 7 Billion people on the planet and the discovery of the North American Continent, a global society is inevitable. We can't just pretend like the rest of the world doesn't exist. Communication, Economies etc are already Global. The human race is global. I think the real "threat" is becoming the wrong type of Globalized world. No one wants banks and corporations to own society, but what is the alternative? I'm not saying this in defense of the Venus Project and Zeitgeist etc, but think about this. Why isn't the green movement having much effect? Because corporations, investors etc aren't going to put stock or business opportunity into something that doesn't have profit. We are a monetary based system, so everything is based off debt and profit. Even when society makes a good decision or step in the right direction, the way our system is set up, these profiteers are kept behind it all on a sort of learning curve. So what kind of alternatives are there to a already globalized society, that's economies aren't based of of resources but fake money. Who make profit off of everything including wars fought between countries, the construction of rebuilding areas torn by war and even off of things like the green movement. Can you name a reasonable and realistic system that would fix this that is also better then The Venus Project?

The plain and simple facts are these, the leaders of the TZM and VP all have deep ties and associations with both Technocracy and Eugenics which they have taken great pains to disavow and deny. The type of person the movement attracts and promotes is type "A" rational materialist made surplus by economic automation. They all act like autocrats . Their reasoning is superior therefore they and only they are right .

" A rising tide - drowns those without boats " - Cee Are
"The object under your feet is always the dance floor " - Cee Are

Where exactly does Peter Joseph backpeddle on 911 and say it wasn't an inside job?