Lessons Learned from the Theory of Megamind
posted by Meg Rivers | March 14, 2011
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IcerocketInitial Lessons from the Theory of Megamind (A Microbialist View)
By Meg Rivers
1. Your body is unbelievably powerful. You have also power, but are billions of years in evolution behind your body.
2. Body is a separately conscious and intelligent entity from your mind.
3. Body is a governing council, probably a very large one.* The body will often be referred to in the plural, i.e. them, they or us.
4. Your body will do what it wants to, given the confines of the space you put it in.
5. Body can also influence things on your behalf, but…. **
6. You must give body a construct it can use to speak with you.***
7. Life is one-third free will and two-thirds fate, never in absolute stasis.
i. Body’s free will composes one-third of your fate.
ii. One-third is your free will, and if you do what body wants, your path will feel “assisted”.
iii. The second third of fate is the free will of a being exponentially larger than you, whose fate you partly compose.
8. But the numbers are skewed, because body’s life is also one-third free will and two-thirds fate, never in absolute stasis. Body’s individual lives (at the cellular level) are influenced one-third by what the molecules wish to do, and one-third by our movements and decisions.
9. Body loves you because they are you. Body is ultimately on your side, even though it often seems the opposite.
10. Body is the God of most ancient texts. Omnipresent, omnipotent, the microbial world is invisible to us yet we play a large part in it. Every religion on Earth tells us that God lives inside you. Body knows how many hairs are on your head.
11. You and I may need to speak in order to understand one another, but our bodies are interacting separately from our interactions. The cells of a being are more intelligent than the being itself, and have their own agenda. This is why monarch butterflies know where to migrate when they're born, even though they die before they're able to make the trip again.
That is all for now. Lessons 12 - 22 are still processing...
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* Think of it like the United Federation of Planets summit in the room on Star Wars, of microbes.
** Your body may influence whatever sphere of life it wishes. There are a gazillion trillion of them (being invisible microbes), and they can fly using wind and movement patterns.
***Imagine encountering an alien race and setting up a system of communication (until you can learn one another’s languages). With some races, you may be unable to learn one another’s language and forced to create a new one together. Prepare for a future filled with Reiki.
Comments
Bravo
— Mar 14, 2011
Meg... You may want to re-post " Program Complete! Repeat? " That one was profound and consistant with this posting... Recapitulation... pulling in all the energetic filiments you gave away or were stolen... still Grokking, but thanks for a template to work with... Please... everyone send some energy toward Japan
Japan we are with you!
— Mar 14, 2011
Japan we are with you!
“An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come.”-Victor Hugo
and thank you for
— Mar 14, 2011
and thank you for reading...just thank you.
“An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come.”-Victor Hugo
Is the Body the Source of
— Mar 14, 2011
Is the Body the Source of wisdom and guidance, and if so, how does one learn to read and know that "right" wisdom and guidance?
Good and compelling insights here that I feel the need to contemplate further.
In the sense that body is
— Mar 14, 2011
In the sense that body is God, yes. However, our world is enormous to them [body council], akin to us looking into distant space (and probably back in time to some degree as well). Any physicists know the ratio between cells to us to space? Hmmm what boundaries would one use to determine that? Did that paragraph just remind you of Steve Urkel?
To learn from body, I have tried learn from my instincts, observe them as they pass in reaction to stimuli. My reactions to things are not me; they are a summation of past experiences, cellular and personal. I must let them pass before I decide what I, the mind, will do. I will take them into consideration; their advice may contain the best possible move.
But not always. We have gotten so separated from body that they have trouble reading our writing; we have trouble receiving the use of Adamic language. It doesn't carry the meanings hidden between our writing and speech. We should not have eaten the apple.
Anyway, that is a good question. One can also learn body's language by watching what they present to you in dreams. They are putting you on a show, for every reason possible, to warn you, to gauge your reaction to an inevitable situation, to measure if body is in harm's way and how to prepare.
I guess I could write more about this but maybe that is good.
“An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come.”-Victor Hugo
Interesting !
— Mar 14, 2011
A bit of of different take on the interelations of "being" -corporeal and non.
I could disagree, but why?
The experience in my circles is that the non material is more subtle and more complex and the connections with the material are more numerous and variable than almost anyone has let on.
(tho' I have dropped some hints here and there(!*)
Thanks for the beginings of a differing primer on the body !
" A rising tide - drowns those without boats " - Cee Are
"The object under your feet is always the dance floor " - Cee Are
just a few questions
— Mar 14, 2011
im really liking this post meg, but it also appreciate clarification of a few points...
for example, you say that the body and the mind are separate entities- so what is the relationship between the mind and the brain (body)
Is the there only one true mind (god, collective conscious, megamind, ect) that is channeled uniquely through each being,
orrrr does each level of existence (photons, atoms, molecules, kidneys, ants, galaxies, ect) have its own mind which is nothing but a culmination of all the systems that come together on the next level below?
and if the latter is true for you, then is megamind/god maybe just a culmination of consciousnesses like ours and the atoms that make a boulder and that of the earth? and so might megamind be just one mind that constitutes the supermegamind, and so on and so forth?
i realize that i just asked a ton of scattered questions, but if you feel like you could clarify any of them from your experience, then please indulge me!
“No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.” -Albert Einstein
Seems to me the relationship
— Mar 15, 2011
Seems to me the relationship between mind and brain is one of storage; mind being energy that uses the physical information stored in the brain. Much like (exactly like, actually) fish use brain coral to store tiny bits of food and treasure, our body uses the brain to store the physical space of the information we gather through our senses throughout the day.
Is the there only one true mind (god, collective conscious, megamind, ect) that is channeled uniquely through each being,
orrrr does each level of existence (photons, atoms, molecules, kidneys, ants, galaxies, ect) have its own mind which is nothing but a culmination of all the systems that come together on the next level below?
Excellent question, and hard to answer. In my experience it has been both, that the consciousness of the greater mind represents one-third of our mind, I represent a third, and the cells are a third.
and if the latter is true for you, then is megamind/god maybe just a culmination of consciousnesses like ours and the atoms that make a boulder and that of the earth? and so might megamind be just one mind that constitutes the supermegamind, and so on and so forth?
Yes but these minds are separated from one another and in different stages of realization about that fact.
Did I answer the questions? It's 1:30 in the morning and I've been awake at the hospital all evening on the grandparent deathwatch so maybe I'll make more sense in the am.
“An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come.”-Victor Hugo
damn!
— Mar 15, 2011
Must never smoke weed and think of all that stuff!! mind bending :/
I liked it :) Heard the same theory put many different ways... "maybe thats how it works? we all relate to, and believe in, what feels right for us"... but its the message and the point thats important.
P.S. I dont smoke weed by the way. Makes me think too much.
here's your song in case you
— Mar 15, 2011
here's your song in case you haven't heard it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhtIIyvivSw&feature=related
Hmmmm
— Mar 15, 2011
Guess you are right,Meg. The audience does seem a little different. =-)
You know i like your stuff. The trick is to get in a proper relationship with your hidden self. Our culture fosters a rather contentious relationship between the ego and the body. Healing that rift is job one. That's when you have to look the idea of separation right in the face and give yourself a big hug. =-)
Lessons to Unlearn
— Mar 15, 2011
Okay, I do hate to disagree with you. Really I do, I appreciate everything that everyone puts up here, especially those whose viewpoints differ from mine. So I won't disagree.
I'm not going to say you are wrong, I am going to state some things about the points you've enumerated that hopefully will allow you to see them from an external point of view.
I'm assuming that Megamind is someone else's hypothesis and your statements are how you've integrated this with your own specialized points of view. I'm unfamiliar, yet I'm a generalist and so, open to learning from those specialized. Hoping the new puzzle pieces can be useful and maybe even fit with assemblies of prior pieces
My feelings about:
#1. This is dependant upon unstated assumptions. The inference is you do not belive in reincarnation or transmigration of the souls, as one can only accept being billions of years behind the evolution of the body if one believes that all souls are newly created for each new body and die with the body. If we are stardust endlessly reincarnate, then we may be older than the evolution of cellular organisms in this local system. The effects of this may be the same as if we were newborn, since very few of us remember our pasts beyond the twins traumas of incarnation and birth. I.E. we would appear and act as 'newbies' even if we had been here before.
#2. I'd state this differently: Mind is a separately conscious and intelligent entity from your brain. So we might actually agree here somewhat in the views from where we are looking from.
#3. I'm guessing when you say body you are referring to the aggregates of cells into organs of the body. Well cells do communicate, some have even said the dna/rna in the cells are the basis for the structures we use to communicate at the first macro level (specie; song and languages). If one confers 'conciosness' down to the cellular level, then yes it would be a very large council. Since I confer 'conciousness' down to the elemental level, I agree with you here, tho' you may not agree with me. :) Do they actually 'meet' in council ? No they appear to communicate from where they are, so the analogy needs to be improved.
#4. This sounds to me like 'growth of an organism is dependant on it's environ', yet I feel you meant something else. Clarification ?
#5. But what? Your body has to decide what sphere of life it's going to influence?
#6. I'd restate this as 'You must learn how to be aware of how the body speaks with you'. As my belief is the channels are already there, just underused, partially atrophied or misaligned.
#7. Yikes! No wonder you got violent responses to such basic philosophic conundrums as free will vs fate. These are the foundations to very dearly held belief systems and hardly anyone is ever budged off their indoctrinated positions. I'm not even going to go there, since my views have become so radically alien and I've no more 'evidence' to support mine than transpersonal experience and observation . But kudos to you for attempting a quantification !
#8. This seems to me to be like the notion of overlapping trinary perceptual belief systems. I.E. Material, Transcendental, Magikal, none being static or free from overlap with the others, but that's likely just my filters distorting comprehension.
#9. Yes, yes and yes! The 'senses opposite' seems to me to come from trying to cope with a damaged environ. Or not treating our bodies with reciprocal love.
#10. Yikes Again! I'm not saying your observations here are in any way incorrect, yet getting fundies to agree to God as microbe, when most cannot even conceive of God as self or indeed anything other than 'Other', mediated thru priests, is going to be quite the stretch! E.G. the way you have said it may need to be rephrased. (d) In my case how 'few' hairs are on my head ! ; ) grow! grow!
#11. There are circumstances in which language is not required for mutual comprehension. (b) Perhaps having more of a singular purpose, cells have less 'free will' and seem more 'inteligent' than the collate organism in that they 'function' more 'clearly' ? (c) I've always felt that Monarchs that do the great migration ( not all colonies of Monarchs do ) use genetic and akashic memory as well as imprinted instinct. That navigation was assisted by better sensing of their environs ( wind, speed and direction, sun angle, time of day, season, precipitation, temperature, humidity, magnetic fields, subtle energy ) and resources ( available food, available lifespan ). p.s. I live along one of the migration routes.
In summary I feel you may be basically correct, yet need to enlarge and evolve your view points beyond where your specialty has led you so far. I know from my experience this can be very difficult to even attempt, as most people have a great deal of time and energy invested in getting to where they are. Having attained a certain proficiency becoming conversant in the specialized language of a field, one faces uncertainty of questionable value in venturing outside of what you know so far. Yet it can be rewarding in being able to step back and see the whole as say, a forest again. There are massive relationships and correlations that cannot be seen or even inferred from looking at the pieces. Perhaps cells have never 'forgotten' that they are all part of this universe?
I hope my relating my miscomprehension of your observations is of some small assistance in clarifying or expanding potentials for you.
Thanks again!
©3-15-02011 Cee Are
P.S. Altho I certainly do not agree with everything Ervin Laszlo posits, I can recommend his book: Science and the Akashic Field. -published by Inner Traditions, for it's clarity in reviewing what we think we know from all the fields of science at this point in time.
" A rising tide - drowns those without boats " - Cee Are
"The object under your feet is always the dance floor " - Cee Are
In response to Cee Are...
— Mar 15, 2011
Wow, geez ok. Here goes.
I think it’s nice that you hate to disagree with me, but I welcome your disagreements as they are not only well-thought out, but appropriate for the discussion. I will respond to the best of my ability.
You assume wrong, Megamind is my hypothesis, please read it in my Evolver blog. If you will notice, there are no references quoted which makes this a philosophical rather than scientific assertion. I hope to change that in the oh, say, next 50 years but it will take time, and in that time, I will undoubtedly be very wrong, about many things. I reposted this blog because I enjoy the discussion and I thank you for giving me viewpoints to respond to.
1. I do believe in reincarnation or transmigration of souls, but not in bacteria because they don’t “die” in the traditional sense of the word (unless they actually do die). Please refer to my thoughts on this in Megamind, if you have a disagreement there I am highly interested in discussing this further if you have time.
2. I wouldn’t. Mind is a separately conscious and intelligent entity from body. Brain is part of the body.
3. I think we agree here. Do they meet in council? The actual organs themselves, no. Could representatives from each organ leave to represent the organ? They could. This is an interesting point you bring up but I don’t think it merits further discussion in this context because we really aren’t opposing one another.
4. You are correct; I also mean that body has its own conscious intention in a space. This may be your reason for arriving there though you may think it is something else.
5. I think #4 answers your objection to #5, but to elaborate, you and body may have a different agenda, but they may decide to humor you or like your choices better in a given scenario. Sometimes mind is smarter than body, but not often.
6. I like that, but I don’t think I’ll use it.
7. Yikes indeed. I’m not sure we’re arguing here though....
8. Yes I think that’s analogous.
9. Nice insights here, thank you.
10. I will not rephrase it, and in my experience it has not only been easy to get “fundies” to agree, but they find it reassuring and comforting. You give them too little credit, and I am sorry that you are balding.
11. Me too! One time they came to my back yard, before I lived here, the previous owner told me about it.
I will enlarge and evolve my viewpoints over time, certainly. It’s a privilege to have intellectually enriched persons not only read my work but call for clarification, and I thank you kindly for the time you spent in reading and responding to this. It was useful and I am pleased to reside in this forum with you.
“An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come.”-Victor Hugo
Thanks !-
— Mar 16, 2011
-for responding! It really is that I was sure I was not understanding what you were saying. Was also pretty sure my assumptions were off. The points seemed the result of being well thought over for quite some time and "boiled down" to fairly concise statements. Since I wasn't 'getting' it I felt I should say what I was hearing, as I said my miscomprehension.
I'll have a look at the rest of your posts, esp. Megamind.
I am truly glad you're on here.
Also glad you know some thinking fundementalists, all the ones in my area specialize in repeating their indoctrination, the word of their book(s) and only those words.
" A rising tide - drowns those without boats " - Cee Are
"The object under your feet is always the dance floor " - Cee Are
