Zeitgeist Moving Forward Critique by Stefan Molynuex

Wow, thanks for posting Peters reply, I was hoping that would turn up at some point. I was involved with TZM from the start but then exiled since about.... when did I sign up at Evolver? So I guess I don't see them as "wanting to talk" so much. I love what's going on now because now the discussion is pouring out into the public venue.

To my point specifically, he still doesn't answer it, he never has. He's come close. He acknowledges that a value shift is necessary, but hasn't quite figured how he himself needs to shift. That's why there's no link between where he is and where he's trying to go. True for both sides of this discussion. Meanwhile, this thing's probably going to crash down around them before they can ever apply this wealth of knowledge to their own conditions.

So long as these groups have this "wait and see" attitude in order to prove themselves right are only going to get caught up in it. And that is what's going kill us all, this back and forth.

"You just wait and see!", "No, You just wait and see!", "Oh you'll see alright!", " you just wait, YOU JUST WAIT...", "Oh I'll wait alright, then you'll see!", "Yeah you wait, you'll SEE!"

...oh brother...

And I wanna say "give it rest guys" but I can't because they need to get over it already, but they won't because you can't wake those convinced that they are already awake and there's nothing anyone can do to implant this inception in their minds.

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"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."

I think you just illustrated the flaws by your very own experience. You said so yourself that most of the people around you haven't a clue about any of this stuff. Yet the "plan" requires this seething mass of humanity to alter their values. Okay so what's going to alter the values of the masses? For me this is where they put the cart before the horse. They'd say education, but look around, do the masses look like they want to be educated? So you need the masses to make it happen, can't do it without them, but since they don't know anything and not educated enough to make the necessary decisions to see the thing threw, can't make this a realization due to fitness of the participants.

They have an altruistic "view" of "saving others" or "saving the planet"; without first "saving themselves". Rave about applying science, but haven't yet applied that science to their own present circumstance. Same goes for Molyneux and the like. Both point to something exterior as both the problem and the solution. Both suffer the same affliction. One wants to escape the State the other wants to escape the Monetary system which both exists due to the same mechanism. People don't honor their agreements.; or they have no faith in their brother and thus put their faith in either Money or the State.

Both of which if were gone tomorrow wouldn't change the fact that people don't honor their agreements and the fact that they don't means once the State is gone and the means by which remedy and justice applied made unavailable. Well now we're right back to tar and feathering each other in the street. Which, is why they created the military industrial complex. So you're not going to fight an insurrection. Not against what they got and they got a lot of back up. If the US fails to suppress domestic social unrest they can just promote China to the enforcement arm and they have a larger standing army than the entire US population. So there is no fight.

The international community has protocols for dispute resolution that they all recognize and observe and have treaty on. I'm not biased, I don't really care what type of government you prefer or if you were in charge how you'd run it. It doesn't really matter to me, the path for all is the same. To go to peace with the system and become the State; by forming a new nation state among the family of nations. Whereby threw treaty position and variation of agreement are not liable for the fraud or anything else "they" do in their system. It is the only way one can sustain themselves while this system exists as well as not contribute to feeding the beast.

This is why nobody has political rights. They don't have nor have they ever had a social contract; they've been subject under say, the US constitution. But as that entity was the sole property of the signatories to it. None of us have any rights and never did. So the solution is to get an agreement, form a social compact, pledge life, fortune, and sacred honor to uphold declarations that you can believe in, the way the founders of the United States did and assume among the powers of the earth a separate and equal station to which Nature and Natures God entitle. I'm talking about the Right of Self-Determination.

I know this is difficult for many to grasp, but this is about peace, it always was. But if you're not building your society with your Posterity and Stewarding the planet, just milling around as a slave on someone elses tax plantation, then complaining about the conditions when you've done nothing to secure your freedom. Not demonstrated that steadfast purpose without lawlessness, fickleness, folly, or self-indulgence and proved beyond the shadow of doubt that you are sovereign. Then you're not nor can you be truly free. Here again, I don't think the universe is impressed; I don't thing the ET's are impressed; I don't think the Elites are impressed and they have all the guns.

So, I am looking to move forward... Because i realize my station and how I came into this world...blind, stupid, and woefully positioned within a family to learn what I actually "needed" to learn. Is it now not the time for a new family?; Think the universe isn't watching? The "godfather" is abusive, it's a dysfunctional family, I would like to leave now.

Judgment day is coming and we all shall be faced with the same question; same opportunity to choose. Freedom or servitude. But don't take this lightly, freedom is not a given, it's not so cut and dry or black and white. Freedom, true freedom is not for everyone. Clearly we can look out at the world and see that not everyone possess the capacity to learn nor the fitness to be free. Not even among the most outspoken of us like Peter Joseph or Stefan Molynuex yet possess it. Otherwise we'd see it. Thus, tainting their solutions with their own hypocrisy. Which makes for a long reach. This is why I don't spend my time on the masses as much as I don't spend my time with the prideful cult of personalities with their regurgitated facts proclaiming to be awake. You simply cannot wake those people who think they already are. I spend my time with Evolvers, you all who at least halfway get it. Mostly awake with far fewer spiritual hang-ups.

"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."