My Apologies. Let's Be Rational About Zeitgeist.
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First of all, I apologize for my recent angry outbursts. I know that most of you Zeitgeiters are smart people and you're also good people who just want to make the world a better place. Just a few months ago I was a huge fan of Zeitgeist. I really was. I was never involved, but I posted things form Zeitgeist and TVP all the time. I also used to be heavily involved in a socialist organization, a few years back, for about three years. But I saw the light on that organization and eventually found out that the whole socialist movement is funded by the CIA anyway. And now I've seen something very disturbing about Zeitgeist and I'm just trying to relay this information to you. I hope that I have not completely alienated you, and I hope that you'll just hear me out becaue I'm also trying to make the world a better place, and I'm just really trying to help here.
Some of you still keep telling me I have "no proof" that the Venus Project is part of the New World Order. I gave a ton of facts and information in my article. I just didn't cite sources because I assume that you're an educated person who has taken the time to do some research for yourself. For example, I assume you know that Hitler was funded by the central banks and that the central banks funded all sides of WWII as well. I assume you also know that the banks/ruling elite founded the United Nations soon thereafter for the eventual purpose of consolidating into a one-world government. And I assume you also know that Hitler was a Satanist who read Madame Blavatsky and did weird, creepy rituals. And I assume you also know that Madame Blavatsky founded the Theosophical Society, which has also worked hand-in-hand with the United Nations, and it has special consultative status to them. And I assume you also know that the world's ruling elite still do weird, creepy ritual at Bohemian Grove every year as well as other places. And I assume you also that PJ Merola used Madame Blavatsky and several other members of the Theosophical Society as references in his first Zeitgeist film, and most of their information has turned out to be incorrect from a historical perspective. And I assume you also know that The Venus Project has been going to UN meetings for quite a few years now, maybe as long as they've been around, I don't know. Such as the UN Earth Charter that Fresco and Meadows went to last year, and the meeting in Switzerland (at a castle that was built just for the UN) that Mallette recently went to, after which he made the controversial comment about "annihilating" people in third world countries who bomb or harm "robotic food farming facilities" that the United Nations placed on their land- using the military. And I assume you already heard Michio Kaku's comment about "terrorists" who don't want to transition to the "type one" global civilization. And I assume you heard Douglas Mallette's pathetic apology for the comment about annihiliating people, in which he dismissed all the "crazy conspiracy theory nut jobs" who are concerned about the United Nations, the NWO and specifically UN measure Agenda 21. I asked him twice what his opinion is about Agenda 21, and he could not answer but merely told me to "go fuck myself." So I assume you know all of these things (aside from my own personal interaction with Mallette) because I assume that you are not a completely ignorant person who has never taken the time to learn anything about history or anything that is happening in current events, from a truth movement perspective.
And maybe it's just coincidence, but I also find it interesting that the Zeigeist films keep showing Illuminati symbolism such as the triangle with the sun in the middle, and the all-seeing eye. In fact, their logos include the eye, the earth, and the earth in a cage. I also find it interesting that it's called The Venus Project, and that Venus is Lucifer the morning star, according to Theosophy. And I'm just a little bit creeped out by PJ Merola's talk concerning the "total Earth resource management and processes" in a "global economic management machine."
So all I'm saying is to think about it. Instead of just dismissing me as a "troll" or a "conspiracy theory nut" (Hello, what about 9/11 and the microchip?) or somebody with bad intentions, and instead of just listening to what your leaders SAY and taking it at face value, please just take some time to really examine this and really think about it for yourself. Thank you.
~Peace~
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*Douglas Mallette, the annihilator. I also love how he laughs off his plans about working with the UN as being "tongue in cheek." Yeah, right. TVP's entire strategy and ONLY transition plan is to work through the UN, even though the UN has supposedly been blowing them for years, but for some strange reason keeps inviting them back to very important world meetings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Y9KO-l-T0&feature=player_embedded
Mallette's pathethic apology and dismisal of "conspiracy theories."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1XSFLCcHI
So from now on, I'll try to calmly and rationally explain that Fresco and Meadows are Nazi eugenic scientists who are working together with the Luciferian United Nations to carry forward a plan for massive global depopulation and one-world domination, and that PJ Merola is their chief propagandist. And because I must maintain my sense of humor in order to stay sane, I'm going to now show you this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq_R-yETBw0
My article.
http://planet-mantis.blogspot.com/2011/02/from-hitler-to-venus-venus-pro...
Comments
Quite possibly...
you may be right .I'v seen alot of the zeitgeist movies ,the website,and articles.I think their ideas and vision of the future seem to be too good to be true so there must be something not right with it.I woder what would happen if it succeeds .How would people live and would they be happy? And have you smoked DMT,Pheelup??
words, words, words, words, words
I had to stop watching the latest Zeitgeist movie because it got too weird, fanatical, and hollywood-esque. I fully watched the original and the 1st half was extremely informative but once it got to the Amero and what-have-you I lost interest.
All I'm saying is there are lots of factors at play in our realities and many of them are not observable or detectable by traditional scientific inquiry or left brain linear "ration".
I have smoked DMT and participated in ayahuasca ceremonies. They've shown me that there forces in the universe which are stronger than man's petty weaponry and control-tactics.
I understand your fear of nuclear annhiliation but I believe that most owners of such machinery are coming to the realization that using them is suicidal.
I'm under the assumption that you and Zeitgeisters have these conclusions from fear-based rationale. This is what was used to control humanity in the first place.
You are very anti-NewAge, I understand this. Maybe have a little faith in the upcoming generations and their un-willingness to succumb to ancient patriarchal manipulators. Believe in the power of inner-transformation.
So Libya just sprayed machine guns allover protesters.... You're right. it won't be a clean transformation but don't underestimate the power of the collective.
actually, i'm not going to participate in more arguments against your cause but I just felt so provoked. I'm sorry.
If you have ever watched
If you have ever watched Zietgiest, spoken about it publicly or distributed the video to friends and strangers, you are marked as a possible threat to the government. The fact that government institutions are profiling people based on the information that they share and view should be proof enough.
WAKE UP. STAND UP. BELIEVE THAT THINGS CAN CHANGE FOR THE BETTER!
And that's based on their
And that's based on their disposition. Which isn't about changing themselves, but changing the system externally. Without any right, title, or interest to do so. Of course you're being watched. The material itself matters not. There are just as many so called Patriots with opposing ideas to Zeitgeist being looked at on an even keel. There's nothing special of different going on there. All rabble-rousers from one side of the spectrum to the other. All trying to exercise right they don't have and failing to exercise the right they do have.
Read the States official definition of the "sovereign citizen" movement. It defines a "loose affiliation" which is "seeking to restore an anarchist minimalist government which never actually existed." Which is anybody who has a gripe and wants the system to change or thinks they have some sort of say so as a member of the body politic.
Which is why I'm not trying to change the system, I'm only trying to change me.
"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."
well hell lets go big or go
well hell lets go big or go home. we can change it all! lets just everyone put it all on the table and sort it out from thereJ-Pan2134
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Absolom- The system is you in a sense......outside / inside no difference ........ change ourselves and change the world silmultaneously......both have to be done ...... really the same thing ...... no outer no inner just one fluid movement..... I agree about not trying to change the system....... I feel we need to get rid of it entirely...... Whole new paradigm necessary if we want to survive this planetary right of passage
But there is no kill switch;
But there is no kill switch; (kill this paradigm and switch to the next). Change is gradual because you cannot move into a new paradigm until a new paradigm is forged. There's just no place to go just yet. So there is no "getting rid of it", there is only absolving yourself from it. Let the old die on it's own.
This comes down in law as well since you cannot absolve yourself of US citizenship until you undergo a naturalization process in another jurisdiction. But in order for us to move to another jurisdiction that's not merely another tax plantation, one where we are a party to the compact and have rights as signatories; i.e. authors (authority)
We have to form it. And we have to think about how to form it. And finally, "men of good will and like mind must unite and organize, come out from under tyranny and state the reasons which impel them the separation, and to assume among the power of the earth and separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and natures god entitles them." http://www.evolver.net/user/absalom/blog/self_sustainability_growing_foo...
"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."
Just another argument...
This is my first post here on RS, but it is something I feel very strongly about. This is just another political argument. Yes, much of the Zeitgeist movement has been debunked and is full of garbage facts and the Venus Project may not be a realistic point of view and may never really happen, but we can still use the Zeitgeist movement's ideas on how to better our situations for the future.
Zeitgeist shows us the peril that our world is in and until people wake up to the what's really happening around us, ie. government manipulation, falsified media and ever growing consumption of the worlds resources, we will never be able to change for the better.
If we continue to argue about what is best for human life we will continue to stand still and adhere to maniacal governments, and financial institutions. We cannot better our situations in the future if we don't listen to the important messages within the Zeitgeist movement.
It's not about the facts or fiction within what is being said, it's about understanding, commitment to change and the will to help the world grow as a whole, for the better, for the future, for our children, grandchildren and their children.
It's time for people to start developing better strategies to prevent the rich from getting richer and the deaths of those less fortunate. We need to look at the world in a positive sense and figure out a way to slow down our over-consumption of resources, and develop new and better systems for reducing wastes and adopt renewable energies in order to stop relying on, the "most useful" commodity that is oil (which kills just as many, if not more, than it helps.
Children die every day because of starvation and the inequalities in life thanks to this wonderful thing called oil. We have better, smarter technologies and can change the world if people actually try to step out from under the cloud of false truths that the governments around the world shove down our throats.
When will we wake up and realize we've killed this planet and may very well be past the point of no return. Just because we won't be a part of the future, doesn't mean that our children and those we care about won't be.
What happens when there are no more resources and we have to start killing EVERYONE in order for the most fortunate to have all the high priced, materialistic items that don't help survival but only retard the possible progression of LIFE. Lets all wait and find out...because it isn't that far away.
Sorry for this rant, but the Zeitgeist movement is just about developing the perfect society, it's a stepping stone of ideas that can be adapted to anyone's life in order to benefit the collective. If we truly care about humanity more than self, we need to stop the arguments and develop some cohesion worldwide.
You say let's be rational,
You say let's be rational, how much more rational can we be? We know we've killed our planet, we know that if the system continues to carry on the way it has it's only going to get worse. Capitalism is just another unsuccessful system that only betters those who make the rules. Political parties don't care about the collective, or the planet or anything besides mass materialism and money. They don't care about the world...They care about their bank statements and have no worries because they won't see the true pain that the world is in. They can hide behind their flashy suits, giant tv's (that they buy a new one of every year to keep up-to-date with technology) in order to hide from all the terrible things being poor and helpless against the system really causes.
Maybe the man who told you to "go fuck yourself" doesn't really care about you, maybe it's because you're another one looking out for number 1, rather than the betterment of life for all. Selfishness and greed are such wonderful characteristics in people because it shows how out of sync with humanity they really are.
Aiy... Another misinformed opinion
This article is a tirade of unsubstantiated bunk and presumptions... sorry. That is my thought and opinion. I'll address some points directly--but boy do I not want to waste my time debating with those who have already made up their minds, having hopped aboard the fear-ridden NWO bandwagon. Bear in mind that I am not diminishing the reality of the so-called NWO shadow agency, just the huge wave of fear and the propensity for folks to promulgate the dire visions that have been set forth by the very few power-hungry elite.. I can only offer what I see as clear rebukes to what you claim is true, and then a small explanation perhaps (if there's room) about what TZM is principally about.
I will address some obvious (and common) strawman arguments such as:
-- The suggestion that TZM is socialism... An RBE (Resource Based Economy) involves intelligent management of earthly resources in service of human and earthly values. Socialism involved some sort of coercive structure to implement central bureaucratic planning (political opinions), whereas an RBE involves NO government at all, but rather a transparent and open analysis of the technical issues involved in instituting any projects, always maximizing the vital aspects of environmental sustainability, production efficiency and functionality.
-- That Madame Blavatsky was cited in the 1st film... This is another guilty-by-association presupposition with a 2 second blip reference to the info that Madame B historically said... Aiy. You see, if I researched Hitler or some other dictator, and began citing what he said, according to your illogical deduction I would be a Nazi supporter.. Funny. Besides the first Zeitgeist film was made prior to even the idea of TZM... and was merely PJ's own artistic expression and exploration. It has nothing to do with the Venus Project or the principles involved in TZM.
-- That Jacque Fresco is a UN supporter (or KKK member, communist, socialist, kkk member or whatever else)... Another guilty-by-association verdict that is based upon the fact that he would attend UN hearings..... which are open to the WORLD. lol Yeesh. So I could never hear attend a function hosted by an institution that has a social stigma attached? C'mon. Have an open mind and treat all people with respect--that means Listening to what they say and then conversing with them. Such is the reasonable and humane modus operandi of Jacque F.
-- That Douglas Mallette made dastardly comment... Honestly, I dunno what or if this guy said something unsavory and stupid. And it really doesn't matter. What matters is understanding the designs and methods that TZM is intending to implement. Here's an idea, why don't we try to Understand the information that TZM is presenting and decide for ourselves if it is reasonable? Sounds like a radical idea! Rather than stamping a red flag right on top of the whole shabang, resorting to labeling and ad hominem attacks in order to discredit INFORMATION... why not actually consider the information?
-- That there are illuminati symbols in the movie... Holy smokes, really? That is grounds for closing our eyes, ears and minds from considering ANYTHING? Understand that that is simply an emotional, associative responses when you consider that illuminati symbols are freakin EVERYWHERE.... and are actually based upon ancient, integrous knowledge and information. It just so happens that the 'illuminati' wanted to hoard all of the ancient wisdom, knowledge and key elements... Don't let that detour you from recognizing the power and veracity of what they attempted to keep to themselves. So using a symbol like a pyramid, which is technically the most enduring structure that can be made, is reference to that height of technical achievement and value..... not allegiance to a bunch of inbred, power-hungry, zionists.
-- that the Venus Project refers to Lucifer.... Um, hmm. Well, yeah that must be it. It couldn't be that Roxanne and Jacque actually live right beside the town of Venus, Florida... No, that could be it! The movement is really about the devil and annihilating people. Yep...... >_<
I can't argue...
I really like the points you bring up in this Heavenwind. You see it the way I do in the sense that you cannot instantly, as you said, Red stamp it and close off your mind to the actual information that is provided. The food for thought within TZM is a grounds for discussion and conversation...a starting point for people to develop smart, well thought out decisions based on the gathering of information from all sides of the spectrum. The world is in need of more people like yourself.
shocking
"Learn how to think for yourself, don't just listen to propaganda that's been fed to you." -Boadie
Really? Did you actually read any of your above comments, or just spout them out in your defensive rage? Your entire argument is propaganda. You've spent your whole life trying to make the world a better place? You claim to care about others and that you are working so hard to open people's eyes, yet you quite apparently lack the respect and couth to do as you say. All you are doing is missing the mark, running vicious circles and pushing people away with your doom and gloom bad attitude and insults. We all have our opinions, but what gives you the right to speak to people the way you do? You are not a part of any solution - frankly you are a part of the problem. We have enough fear mongering going on in the world, we don't need more of it here. Go back to facebook, Boadie. I think you are on the wrong social networking site.
Re: I'm only trying to warn you about Zeitgeist.
Hello Boadie,
Thank you for your message, it seemed much more respectful than the post you placed on this bulletin. So I will respond.
Message:
["Will you at least READ my article and think about the information before automatically rejecting it? I'm just trying to warn you, because I care about you. Understand that I may be able to perceive things that you can't right now. I'm trying open your eyes.
http://planet-mantis.blogspot.com/2011/02/from-hitler-to-venus-venus-pro...
I added some comments to my blog.
http://www.evolver.net/user/boadie/blog/my_apologies_lets_be_rational_ab...
Please just THINK about it." ]
I understand what it is that you are doing... very clearly. And don't mistake what I am about to tell you as an insult or as a diminshment of you, particularly, because I am directly addressing what I see are the obstacles to effective communication. You will likely feel upset from it! But that is natural.. (As we all become literally 'upset' from our thought patterns if we are to understand anything Truly new... it is a good thing). That's why I welcome even upsetting information, Boadie. I really do. But know this--calling someone a fool or idiot or whatever it is, is merely your ego wanting to make yourself feel bigger.. by trying to make the 'other' seem smaller. :P From what I see, you have much to learn about what it means to care for another... I will take the time to chat with you about it if you are interested in hearing... But in all honesty I don't think and feel that you are even remotely receptive..... as your actions and words seem to show that you are Completely ruled by your ego and it's apparatus, belief system, and you can't even see that. :P
I am VERY generous with my time, Boadie... VERY GENEROUS, you have no idea... and as such I would be willing to chat or correspond with you in regard to any subject. But as soon as you resort to frenetic behaviour of fear and desperation, lashing out haphazardly at all whom are within reach, creating an us against them atmosphere--all of which merely helps to boost your illusory sense of worth--well, I will simply disengage and disregard... Ok?
Now! Let's talk about what it is that you are afraid of. Please state your point (Just one or two mind you!) and we will discuss it step by step.
Boadie, I was wondering what
Boadie, I was wondering what your religious views are like? And if you have experienced any kind of "awakening" where much of your information was made clear to you or if it was a more gradual process.
I'm asking because the only other person I communicate with who feels as strongly as you about these issues (Zeitgeist's involvement with the NWO) has had such a moment of revelation and I am wondering if that might be what is takes.
Care to comment?
Peace!
It's like this--
Ok, Boadie, I see what's goin' on--
I said that I would take the time to have a conversation with you about what specifically you had contention with (as I already addressed many points of which you completely ignored)... But then you ignored me yet again, and made yet another post, splatting the whole enchilada on another page, replete with your rantings about how you haven't been heard... ~_o Now I take it you expect people to go running to read the compilation of mistaken material that you keep posting? ... lol Is this some kind of comedy, because to me it seems pretty dam ridiculous. :D I was Very clear that I wished to have a discussion with you, point by point... but it seems your eyeballs continue to bounce off of that which does not fit neatly into your feverish visions of how people SHOULD behave and what it is that you are supposed to be doing... You are either unwilling or unable to let go of your ardent views to consider what someone else is saying, and... doesn't that sound familiar?... I mean, don't you want others to listen to you? Then, START LISTENING.
"Learn how to think for yourself, don't just listen to propaganda that's been fed to you." -Boadie
One of the things I've learned regarding what it means to 'grow up', is that a person begins to take responsibility... for their own actions. You see, as a child one lacks the ability to be responsible--in other words kids have yet to develop the facility for self-determination, self management... Expectantly, children push and pull that which is AROUND them (attempting to manipulate people and things) so as to get what they want, riding waves of unbridled emotion, and doing all kindsa stuff from hitting, pinching, spitting, to name-calling and even choking themselves as a means to leverage a reaction.. It is a process by which they discover their world by touching boundaries and gaining experiential understanding. Now when one reaches maturity, they will no longer attempt to control that which is around them and instead.. begin managing THEMSELVES. For that is the only domain that one truly has jurisdiction.
And so you say, I'm just frustrated, as if it were an excuse for acting like a child... C'mon, gimme a break. Now I don't mean to be demeaning, but you are doing a good job of it by yourself, behaving like a spoiled kid throwing a tantrum. And this is what people are pickin' up on. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. It's not that you aren't intelligent--it's obvious that you have your own various intelligences.. However intelligence can be dangerous if not well balanced by what is called 'emotional intelligence'.... What's THAT??, you may ask... Don't worry, you won't become.. fruity and prance around like a ballerina when embracing your emotions lol Well, not unless you already like to wear tutus. 'Cause emotional intelligence is simply one's capacity to be aware of their own e-motions, their inner movements, and how that energy may be affecting 'em... This is a very important capability to cultivate, and is part 'n parcel of one's right-of-passage to adulthood. Without this developed awareness an individual can be entirely blindsided by submerged emotional ties, you see, (traumatic and dramatic experiences which hold sway within the subconscious mind) and not even know about it!
A premise of the operational psycho-therapeutic field is that one's mental backdrop (aka belief system) colors the reality that they experience, literally filtering out information and at times projecting that which is not there to fulfill expectation.. This is the very nature of thought structures, as I'm sure you have some understanding about having readily sucked up all of the Alex Jones fear-ridden mental programming ABOUT mental programming.. lol Are you beginning to see just how tricky the ego is?
Alright! I've addressed the barriers to our communication.. Become aware of your own emotional investments before we can BEGIN having a clear conversation. Otherwise it's just two people talking at each other. Many people have made comment on what you present by providing an alternative view... but you have still yet to address them directly, instead opting to inundate pre-packaged material upon readers, sold by Boadie Incorporated...
If you want people to treat you like a human being, then start treating 'em as such.
SOLOMON cheers for the post
SOLOMON
cheers for the post man , apreciate it .
you cant just go along trusting every documentary you watch without doing some research of yourself . i agree with some things from that movie like 9/11 and the monetery system but dont agree with their religious point of view .why? because most of it prooved to be incorrect , like associating jesus´s resurrection with others thorough out history.for example the egyptiangod OSIRIS(he does not ressurect to physical life, he is cut into fourteen pieces, scattered around Egypt, then reassembled and brought back to life by the goddess Isis. im not a realy a religious person . i dont listen to the church or give a damn about what the church thinks is right or wrong. i do belive religion can be a powerfull instrument of manipuilation . many have used religion as a way to gain and keep power and control over people but i dont think this is the case . i think they are trying to bring the religion institution down and finish with it once and for all.
i agree with you there is something about that film , i recomended it to a mate and after he watched it, not only that he believed everything they said , he was obssesed with it and it completly changed his perspective on religion.
i found them lights and sounds weird and it gave me the feeling that their trying to brain wash us .
cheers

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