The fifth dimension (as observed by entheogen)
posted by DavidA | March 28, 2010
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IcerocketOk, so... I apologize for my teenage styled culture of writing but if you have ever heard of "blah blah ascension into the fifth dimension" and have wondered where that number even comes from, I'd like to try to clarify. Skip these next two paragraphs if you just want to get to the meat of this blog.
Ok first of all the reason I believe these channeled messages that speak of this quantum leap into the fifth dimension is because I have known this from my own experience. If you want to talk philosophical, I'm studying Sartre's take on beliefs. He sees two types of beliefs. One is knowledge, which is evident, like the computer screen in front of your face. Knowledge implies belief (if your super philosphical Sartre called it positional consciousness.) The other type is mere belief, like "I believe she still likes me" It falls short of knowledge.
Ok basically what I'm trying to say is I believe in the first sense, the knowledge sene. These channeled messages give an understanding that became evident to me before I knew that channeling existed. I have experienced the fifth dimension first hand before knowing anyone was talking about it. But we do that a lot especially on evolver, thats what groks show us. "grok = to understand like thru intuition" or u just already knew it.
All that aside, here's the actual meat of this blog.
The fifth dimension in my experience could also be worded as thought, love, perspective, reality.. its just another level of complexity that exists in our being.. they say 5th because we use 3rd dimesion.. but that number 3 is just weird because the 1st and 2nd dimensions don't exist in reality... the 3rd to me is just a solid moment of time because it is only space itself.. then the 4th to me is just the complexity of time as these movements of space go thru it... and then your perspective or thoughts of space and time and my perspective or thoughts of space and time are like (this time im using the word like to make an analogy) two different points on a line of this 5th dimension... all we need to do is create movement.. if the points do this they make a line, a higher dimension. If we do it with our perspectives or thoughts we just become 5th dimensional because then we have no separation, we are just one-ness.. and it all happens as the two become one... and I heard that on a recent message too i was like HA! YES.. and Hegel calls it a dialectic if ur that philosophical person... but I've also felt it as a paradox.. and they adressed that in the channeled message (this was from archangel michael mid march) so that's super cool too.. and anyway all of these experiences culminated for me into a literal vortex, it was beautiful.. it was like the shape of the complexities/dimesnions as viewed through one who is traversing them. or something!
Hope that clears up the 5th dimension for u if you weren't sure.
Comments
In the traditional model
— Mar 28, 2010
Traditional model of dimensions is quite confusing. In the model where dimensions are vectors in space, three makes sense in away that you can move in three directions. Even then the time is not the 4th, because time doesn't exists.. the idea that we’re moving in time is an illusion. But there are number of ways to visualize what dimensions are.
Dimensions can be seen also as something else than vectors in space, like levels of scale. Take a look at the microscopic world and you'll see it's a weird psychedelic looking reality of its own. In same way someone can be looking at us from above and we couldn't know.
Changing dimension can be about changing size. If you would suddenly turn into microscopic size, it would definitely seems like you’ve travelled to some another dimension, even tough you might be standing in the same place than before the travel took place. But dimensions could be also scales of density. Or maybe it’s both together. Maybe we could grow bigger and less dense and disappear from this place into something so big we cannot understand from here.
You could also think that in this way the dimensions are also levels of influence, where upper dimension can modify the ones below. You could sense/feel upper dimensions yes, but not have any effect on them. When we study the microscopic world, there is very little they can do about it. Also I could see how soil of the earth could be one dimension, plants and vegetation another. Plants can penetrate the soil and take advantage of it but soil cannot do anything about the plants. Humans and animals on a level up can manipulate plants and soil .
From this model it's easy to understand that someone from far up there can see and know everything, make universal changes.
The fifth dimension has to
— Mar 31, 2010
The fifth dimension has to do with geometry and it is "scientific". Cube spinning is 3D, tilt that to 32 degrees and spin creates dodecahedron 4d, ratchet that and you get 5D. 5 superimposed axis of spin. Now how do we bring that to us? our heart muscle has seven layers! The same angles as the tetrahedron;) Now why is the shape of Osiris's hat the shape of the pericardium? Could the heart be an implosive engine?
Feedback=Self Awareness=Fractality.
higher dimensions
— Mar 31, 2010
well oneman and fractal bob to my level of understanding of whats going on here you are both totally missing the point, maybe i just need you to clarify what you are saying to better understand it... it seems like you are both describing three dimensions, length width and height, Oneman if you zoom in or out on the universe it doesn't matter: you are changing perspective but not dimension. fractalbob i don't even know what this changing spin could have to do with new dimensions, the heart could have a thousand 3d layers and it would still only be 3d, it could spin in a thousand directions and it would still be 3d, well actually spinning creates movement which it would seem is the 4th dimension or time, as i understand it, space moves, creating time. the 5th dimension is definitely totally different, it is transcendent, if you could break 4 dimensional thought and exist in only the 5th, time would cease to flow because you would be able to perceive all space as merely one thought, then be able to see every thought that is making that space function in each moment, for example me sitting at this computer would be a little blue line reaching into the electronic matrix, it would be one Line, with the points of the line being my mind on one side and the internet telecommunications grid on the other, but really both of those points are just greater lines and so wow that would be one crazy intricate lattice, kind of like the headiest wire wrap ever..... probably spelling the name of god.... where i get confused is when string theorists talk about the i think 13 dimensions and the 5 thru 13th are like paper wrapped around a glass cylinder, sUUUUUUPEERRRR densely packed in, like a tire around the spokes and hub representing our 4 dimensions, this explains why these higher dimensional beings are so fascinated with humanity, we are conscious in the fundamental reality and also able to receive their communications and influences and enact their will in 4d... i think essentially all people are channeling a different higher dimensional vibration, maybe all those different vibrations are alien species which a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away managed to transcend into the 5th as their physical universe collapsed on itself.....?
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Well all a "new dimension"
— Mar 31, 2010
Well all a "new dimension" is, is a change of spin. Its a new axis of spin superimposed. So when i say that its quite literal. Its in the geometry of DNA itself. And with the heart, if it is 3D how do you get it into the next dimension(spin)? First you have to know the geometry of the heart. It is a tetrahedron, then u have to figure out how to get a 3D tetra into the next spin(dimension). The answer to that is you tilt a cube,(a cube consists of two tetrahedron) at 32 degrees and after 5 rotation it becomes the dodecahedron! Weird how those angles are all over DNA? 32 degrees being the distance between the ladder rings in DNA. I think the problem is you need to start from the beginning and understand the pure principles first, then everything else will fall in line. Time has only been defined as rotation(spin). So i don't really thing of time as a "new dimension". I'm not sure about the string theory guys but i do know the geometric shape that explains it. The star mother kit. For each dot in that grid there is 26 holes, weird how there is 26 strings in string theory? The 13 you speak of may be in there somewhere lol. And yes it does have to do with "collapse" but it has to be non-destructive compression" If you want more info about it a good set of videos are at: http://www.goldenmean.info/selforganization/
Feedback=Self Awareness=Fractality.
wow!
— Mar 31, 2010
One time in one of my most intense high writing sessions I wrote down "a spin on a spin = the 4th dimension" and i have never ever understood what the hell I meant by that, or how I was perceiving this spin on a spin.... but I think what you're saying connects it finally! I like ur self awareness equation, it just looks cool.... anyway yea I think dimension isn't the word we should be using because we get confined to spatial dimensions, and thats where the 4D cube comes into play and things... that's why I like using "complexity" or "level of authority" because these things are infinite, and cannot be contained by anything...
Here's how I've seen it.
its a 123 opposites become equal in higher dimensions... its like the fibonacci sequence... and moment is opposite from moment and equal in time and this pattern is what forms our levels of complexity or authority I think.. so now we just gotta come together in perspective and that's what will take us up to the 5th dimensions... lovvvveee
Gotta love those moments!
— Mar 31, 2010
Gotta love those moments! lol It all starts with just a little insight like that. I think you might find this source quite interesting;)
http://www.goldenmean.info/12strands/
Lots and lots of sources! Its all fractally interconnected though;0
Feedback=Self Awareness=Fractality.
This also might help with
— Mar 31, 2010
This also might help with the "time thing" http://www.goldenmean.info/coincidence/
Feedback=Self Awareness=Fractality.
hahaha
— Mar 31, 2010
ddepbeackon!
yea dude i like ur thoughts... honestly i don't really get what the other guys are saying either lolllll just talking about what is already available thru the scientific community (who forgot about researching entheogens when discussing these phenomena BIG MISTAKE DR. WHOEMEVERS)
density
— Mar 31, 2010
i like to think about it in terms of 'density'.. as in density of consciousness. like a rock has a lower density of consciousness than a chicken or a human.. and then higher beings are more concentrated awareness and can thereby appear invisible to us.
but i think they are related. density and dimension are both occurring at the 'level' of the layer cake.
all i have is my experiences, and at the end of the day its truly innefable, yet coherent.... not easily communicated without some serious neologisms- bring em on!
It takes a level of great
— Mar 31, 2010
It takes a level of great complexity to sift through it but then it becomes simple! Dimension was only ever a name for SPIN! Anyone know the flatland story? There is Sufi dances that allow you to add more dimensions, you basically trace out the tetra angles entering the dodecahedron. Do that about 40 times and poof! you might end up in the 4th dimension;) There is training you have to do first before you are ready for sacred dance though. You have to be able to move your attention into your little finger tip. Attention compresses the electric field!
Feedback=Self Awareness=Fractality.
