About Time
posted by Echo Morphine | August 20, 2009
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IcerocketI had a vision, or an experience. Everything was happening at the same time, all at once. Now, I've always known this, but everytime I experience it, I can not put it into words.
There seems to be only 'now', no past, no future; total collapse of the fourth dimension. Now, the typical model of spacetime doesn't seem to fit exactly with what I have experienced and I have filled a bunch of notebook pages trying to figure this out...and I am stumped. I hope you can provide some insight in the given scenario:
1) Now is like when a pebble is dropped into a pond, what has happened ripples out in all directions, each small wave is a moment. We can measure these moments with a unit of measurement called time. Let's assume is ripple is one second. So around the central mass of now, we would see many ripples, like rings on a tree.
2) If from the center point of now, we go out to the first ripple/ring; it would be one second ago, two rings out, two seconds, etc. Going in a straight line out, we can track every moment into the past.
3) Now, here's where I get stumped. We are making this measure of time in a straight line out from the center (right now), yet like a pebble dropped in a pond, all ripples go evenly in all directions, a circle. So if we were to point our arrow of time, in the opposite direction, it would still be the past, no matter where you look. The future can not be measured, as it hasn't happened yet. So, time is not like a river, a straight line going in one direction, it is going in all directions evenly; so would that make the past and future appear the same? For instance: the outer most ripple would be what now looked like at the beginning. Would not the big bang, look like armageddon if we were to measure the opposite direction, thinking we are seeing the future?
In this experience, things were much easier to comprehend, but when the vision ended, and I was bound by four dimensions, rather than three, it has become most impossible to describe and understand anymore. Clocks were very disjointed from where I was, and it seemed that every second that went by was showing me that clocks do not show us that we are traveling forward, but that they are counting each ripple that passes, they are showing how far the past has gone, each tick is a measurement further away from where we were.
Can you help better describe how a moment can ripple out evenly like a pebble in a pond, rather than flowing like a river? I appreciate the insight as I have scoured the internet looking for anything to describe "time as a ripple".
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I can only describe it as
— Aug 20, 2009
I can only describe it as the visions of time have revealed themselves to me... and maybe there will be something that will add more depth to your description...
the first time I had a concept that I was seeing thru time, laying in the bed with a blanket tucked over my head while the fan was blowing softly across my forehead... suddenly I am laying in the entranceway to a cave, my hair is matted.. and I remind myself of someone from the movie 10,000 bc... I like the feel of sleepng near the edge of the cave entrance, the wind kind of comes in an does this circle dance, and if I lay just right I can feel the wind dancing with me all through the night..
second time I realized I was seeing through time, we had gone to the woods to gather wood for a weiner roast. I had tied my bundle to carry back and had grabbed some small pieces to used as kindling, but as I was walking some of the kindleing was falling, like a trail... I looked back and saw through time myself carrying a bundle of wood, and I had picked a bouquet of flowers to take back with me, but as I was walking I was droppin the flowers....
at this point I had the distinct impression that all time was happening at once, and each time after that, when a parallell even could be seen, it just confirmed what I was believing....
more later maybe, if I have more time, right now a lightning storm moves in...
Maureen
Maureen Your post reminds me
— Aug 21, 2009
Maureen
Your post reminds me of an experience I had long ago. I was in a very dissociated way of being. I would venture to say that my self was quite a bit removed from the body I usually occupy.
I have always held a fascination with multiple personality disorder. Often a personality will describe themselves as living in the eyes or the tongue. Well, my experience wasn't terribly far off from that.
I was a neanderthal or something similar and sitting in a small cave. I understood very little and recall that it was frustrating. From the mouth of my cave I could look across the landscape and see another biped, man or neanderthal, unsure. Anyhow, it seemed to live in a much larger cave and was sitting beside a fire. I was very cold and was unable to understand fire and how to have one. In the peripheral of this state, I noticed that this caveman was living in a small space in the back of my brain, and looking forward (temporally?) into the 'front' brain, where the more advanced self was with his fire.
The only way I know that this experience had happened, was when I 'came to' and found this note, not in my handwriting in the least, kind of in a pre-chicken scrawl; that was a letter from this rear brained caveman to the front brain identity. The letter was of frustration and adoration and jealousy.
Namaste.
Wonderful blog fodder...
— Aug 20, 2009
I have to thank you very much for sharing this vision. Not often do you hear of fourth dimentional revelations being expressed in the form of a vision.
Consider our physical reality as a fractal toroidal experience of energy. Science has shown our experience of physical matter to be an illusion. When we look closely at matter we find energy forming itself in a toroidal shape, eternally feeding energy in and out at the poles. Quantum physics has shown energy expressing itself in fractal patterns from the infinitely small to infinitely great.
I believe your vision is showing you time as an illusion.
What if the illusion of time is an exact reflection of the illusion of matter or space.
In this regard the illusion of time supports the illusion of space in the same structure of the fractal toroid. Time and space, shrinking into nothing, and growing into everything. Perfect reflections supporting the illusion of both.
If we run with this, we can possibly perceive time to be an eternal moment of NOW. The illusion then, is the perception of past and future. This illusion is expressed as a fractal torroidal mirror in support of the illusion of space.
This blog was fantastic, thanks again, it makes me want to read all the books I can on this topic.
I hope to get a better understanding of how time is expressed and maybe get back to you with some more ideas to bounce around.
I can appreciate how you have become fixated on time. I think I may end up spending a great deal more TIME researching this fun rabbit hole. I hope more evolvers weigh in on this, I would like to hear more views.
Namaste, my brother Craig, have a good time today.
I think you might be stumped
— Aug 20, 2009
I think you might be stumped because your model, the lake, is a 2D circle. If you pictured it as a 3D doughnut shape (torus), And the present moment were experienced at the inner edge of the torus, the circular time ripples would would be exiting one pole of the torus as the past, and entering the other pole as the future. In this way, the past would eventually turn into the future as it passed the outer edge of the torus. Most time mapping systems, (such as astrology and the Mayan calendars) describe cycles of varying size, interacting with each other. So time may be very complex, involving nested and/or intersecting tori.
I just happen to be reading "The Invisibles, Counting to None", by Grant Morrison. This bit of dialogue from that book might interest you. The speaker is a scientist, working on a time-machine.
"It's a problem of geometry, Mr. Lang. In our subjective universe we experience three dimentions of space and one of time. However, I believe time, like space, also has more than one dimention. Think of timespace as a multidimentional self-perfecting system in which everything which has ever, or will ever occur, occurs simultaneously. I believe timespace is a kind of object, a geometric supersolid. I believe it may even be a type of hologram in which energy and matter themselves are byproducts of the overlapping of two higher systems..."
..." Think of it this way: where is the past? where is the future? Undeniably, they exist, but why can't you point to them? The only way to do that is to jump "up" from the surface of timespace and see all of history and all our tomorrows as the single object I believe it is."
Accolades
— Aug 21, 2009
Well, I am so glad to see so many wonderful people here, providing such a wide range of ideas on this well camouflaged creature, Time. As for myself, I allow the occasional moments to manifest where I let myself tinker with time; but it seems you can only tinker with something before what you were affecting, effects you. It's been a while now since I have skewed my own accuracy of time. For instance, it is quite annoying when I go to answer the phone that hasn't yet rung; and have to tell myself, often out loud, that I have to wait for it to ring.....by that point it has started to ring. Or how I answer a question before it is asked. I sort of feel like I am mis-shifting into the next moment and either advance to the next moment too suddenly, or some friction has me lagging. It's been this way for a few months straight, and very very obtrusive in daily life. Me thinks....that if I have a better understanding of the nature of time, that myself can re-sync with where (when?) it should be. ....but I know it won't.
Namaste.
waiting to answer the phone that hasn't yet rung
— Aug 22, 2009
It took me until I was 29 to realize I was serious seeing through time, like about all the time… I once reacted to an incident 2 years before it happened… and I was so mad at my dad for hearing what he thought about my grandmother upon her passing, wailing like that with his Christian belief, crying, “My mother has gone to hell and I’ll never get to see her again!” I was so mad at my dad for the longest time….. Years telling people my grandmother passed when I was 15, til somewhere in my 29th year my dad gave me a copy of her eulogy and it listed her as passing when I was 17… and that was the year I got married so how could I not have any memory of going to her funeral when I was 17..
Very confusing years…. now that I’m older I look at it this way….. standing outside the realm time, as a goddess getting ready to incarnate into this time space, I said, “I’ve got to go in with my full tool belt.” In my youth the tool belt felt unbearably heavy, see through time, hear people thinking and responding like they were speaking out loud, walkin in more than one dimension at once, seeing through the veil, remembering the Garden, remembering volunteering to come here to do this work.
But now that I am older the tool belt is quite light, and fits quite comfortably.. very thankful I brought my tools….
It is as we designed it...
but sometimes it does take a moment to grow into our own shoes...
blessings,
Maureen
Theres more, a few years ago I was told a story about something that happened 500 years ago, and decided I wanted to check it out... traveled down my time line, the one I always see through in the here now to a point where I entered a town. Something said, “go back to the edge of town to the pointing tree. So I did, took another path down to another life.. enter into the tipi, see myself preparing for the entrance of my husband (who in this life is just a friend) step out of the tipi and ahead is a path that veers off to the left…. Follow that path until I entered the space of 500 years ago... I saw the story through my eyes, as I had been made into a servant girl after we had been defeated….. It was quite remarkable…. I went there many times to watch what happened
Now the futre
— Aug 23, 2009
Harry F Brewster II
You know I kind of thought the ripples were now and the center was the past. Are you the leaf that transforms into the ripple? A vibration taking on new form or were you the air or space the leaf fell through that also experienced a spiral effect. . Consider this vibration travels inward as well as outward infinitely so turn the arrow into ripples traveling inward from the center and you will find that you are eternal. As we go deeper into our awareness our consciousness expends. As our consciousness expands we will realize we are not limited by time. Time has a beginning and end, We do not!
http://www.physorg.com/news17
— Aug 28, 2009
