WikiLeaks: Right or Wrong?

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http://www.danielmoler.com/2010/11/wikileaks-right-or-wrong.html

"Advertisements contain the only truth to be relied on in a newspaper."
--Thomas Jefferson

In light of the latest WikiLeaks scandal I've had many thoughts milling around in my noggin. The first and foremost is: this leaked information, is it right? What if it causes someone to get hurt?

We Americans are very protective of our service men and women, and any chance of putting them into any danger makes our blood boil with patriotic fervor. But, I have to respectfully ask, isn't that what they do? Don't we put them in harm's way every day? And, I do say that respectfully because I have a father, grandfather, grandfather-in-law, brother-in-law, best friend's father, and many cousins that I love and am proud of that have served in the armed forces in one way or another. They are good men, and I don't aim to dishonor them with anything I am about to say.

We, the United States of America (and every other industrialized country on Mother Earth) are controlled by a shadow government. I'm not implying we are ruled by a few elite white-boy banker Satanists with a penchant for ritual sacrifice...that would be too conspiracy theorist of me, wouldn't it? What I am asserting is that our government, like most all others, engage in shadowy activity. Some, if not most (if not, more than most) of the government's activities are held secret from the general public, especially in regards to military activities. Most everyone, liberal or conservative, would agree with this. Now ... this does indeed make sense! Doesn't it? If a battalion of troops were getting ready to pounce into a secret Talibani camp in Pakistan, we wouldn't want that information exposed because it would put our troops and the mission in potential danger. I understand that logic perfectly.

However, a friend of mine once stated regarding the once-feverish debates over whether torture should be allowed if it saved the lives of Americans: that is the risk we run in being a free society! We respect the God-given rights of all men!

So, where I perfectly agree with protecting the lives and identities of our service men and women (because, frankly, I love them...they are my family) I also have to look at the situation from a societal point of view: what kind of example do we set to our children, to the coming generations (indeed to the rest of the world and history) if we are engaging in and protecting our shadowy activities? Does this mean I agree with an organization like WikiLeaks exposing the plans of a military excursion? No, absolutely not! That was merely an example! But, if certain injustices previously unidentified by the mainstream media need to be addressed publicly in order for resolution to be met, then by all means....

I'm talking about the murder of two Reuters newstaff in Baghdad by a U.S. helicopter; 570,000 pager intercepts by the NSA on 9/11 that may help with the investigation; toxic dumping on the Ivory Coast and Trafigura's attemtps to cover it up; and yes, even the cable release of U.S. diplomats being asked to spy on foreign embassies (a violation of international treaties). Attempts to cover these stories and calling WikiLeaks founder and director Julian Assange a "traitor" is mind-boggling. The ones covering up these actions are the real traitors.

Dr. Timothy Leary once stated: " . . . FBI files, CIA dossiers, White House conversations should be open to all. Let everything hang open. Let government be totally visible. The last, the very last people to hide their actions should be the police and the government."

"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people," said our great President Thomas Jefferson. "They are the only sure reliance for the preservation fo our liberty." President John F. Kennedy continues in that "a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." A nation afraid of its own people creates secret police organizations to watch over those people. But we, as a free people (right?) have no insight into those secret police organizations, because they depend on secrecy in order to operate. So, to coin writer Alan Moore and originally the Roman poet Juvenal: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"

Who watches the watchmen?

Philsopher Robert Anton Wilson answers the question: " . . . those who employ secret police agencies must monitor them, to be sure they are not acquiring too much power. Here a sinister infinite regress enters the game. Any elite second order police must be, also, subject to infiltration, or to acquiring 'too much power' in the opinion of its masters. And so it, too, must be monitored, by a secret-police-of-the-third-order." And so on and so forth until, "in practice, of course, this cannot regress to mathematical infinity, but only to the point where every citizen is spying on every other citizen or until the funding runs out."

So, where does this shadow-methodology get us? You ask for a secret, shadow society, you really get what you ask for. including all the shit that comes with it if (more logically, when) it falls apart. Hence, when someone like Julian Assange comes onto the scene, the proverbial doo-doo hits the proverbial fan. It is chaotic. People, nations, will be in danger. But, does that make his actions wrong? Isn't that what we ask for when we allow shadow tactics to take place? Or, is the real wrong for the shadow governments and organizations to exist in the first place?

Two days ago Julian Assange and WikiLeaks delivered a blow to the international community. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton wants Assange's balls on a meat hook. Now, all of a sudden, Interpol's seeking Assange out on ambigious sex crimes charges. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/30/wikileaks-founder-assange-suspected...

I don't believe a word of it.

Read up on the guy. I have my own barometer that weighs between two types of people that come to prominence and power in this world:

Extreme 1.) The business pedigree powerhouse who really has no brains, but muscles (or weasels) his or her way to the top of the grand pyramid-scheme of international commerce. These sorts generally have scandal written all over them and need a posse of nursemaids to keep them straight and center in front of the microphones while lying (horribly) about all the little stupid things they've done, distracting the media from Lady Gaga's most recent outfit (think Bush and Cheny, kids).

Extreme 2.) The geek-turned-super genius who knows the power and truth behind logic, that churns mathemtical algorithms in their heads like we eat a bowl of Lucky Charms. These guys know what they are doing, have all of their "i"s dotted, and get to the top by actually using their brains instead of daddy's money (think Bill gates; whether you like him or not, he's brilliant).

I believe Julian Assange is a number two, people. The guy has literally had to live on airplanes with his own private army since WikiLeaks started pissing off international governments and corporations with their whistleblowing releases to the world in the spirit of free information. All volunteer, nobody gets paid for this. Assange is a computer genius, he's not the sort of guy to screw up such a magnificent thing by being stupid and risking the immense historical giant WikiLeaks really is. The Interpol claim seems like bullshit, and it's hard for me to believe it coming to light so soon after pissing off the most powerful people in the world. The timing is just too damn coincidental! I am open to whatever evidence comes to light, but not holding my breath just yet.

The State Department has severed its file access to even more Department officials, hedging in an even smaller circle of hierarchy than what has previously existed before. Journalist Jim Marrs once said: "Those who sincerely believe that conspiracies don't exist only benefit those who may be conspiring." It may behoove people to pay attention to what is going on here.

What kind of world do we want to leave to our children? A world of honesty? A world of shadow? A world of covering up the unpleasant things so the unpleasant things can keep going on as-is, uninterupted?

Not sure I like that prospect...

http://www.danielmoler.com/2010/11/wikileaks-right-or-wrong.html

Comments

Interesting conjecture,

Interesting conjecture, Mister Helliwell. I wouldn't put it past them.

Whistleblowers...exposing the darkness

a government of, by and for the people requires transparency and truth for people to be able to make heartfelt decisions based on intent and how they support their form of governance. Secrecy and tyranny has no place in any FREE society. The shadow government controlling America since 1913 and perhaps even earlier is the most deceitful institution the world has known and unfortunately americans are the most lied to, chemtrailed, flouridated, indentured servants in the brief history of the american republic experiment that is supposed to be an independent and free society has unfortunately become the opposite, I sense that there still is a way of turning this around.

I question the timing of all of this tho... is it a coincidence that the U.S gov't/pentagon wants to control the internet and ban free speech/ dissent across cyberspace? Is this not the perfect excuse to hit that killswitch? Let's say you set up a site where people can download the music of the beatles, stones, pink floyd, the doors, etc... for free...how quick do you think they would shut down that site , find who is behind it, jail that person and fine those that downloaded that free content?

So why can't they shut down the wikilieaks site then if it is of such a national concern...seems a bit odd....If any world government had nothing to hide from the consent of the governed, then whether it is wikileaks or any other whistleblower that exposes their lies should be praised for exposing corruption, subterfuge and deception upon an unsuspecting public.

As far as those that "serve" in the military do you really think that for 1 moment that the government that places them in harms way for fraudulent wars like the korean, vietnam, gulf, iraq and afghanistan wars gives a damn about their safety, health (from exposure and denial of the use of agent orange, gulf war syndrome, DU exposure, toxic vaccines, etc...)...the shadow government could care less about these people, sad but true. It is the american people that want PEACE and do not want to see brave young men/women be sent to foreign lands to kill or be killed to enrich fatcat corporations...whats even sadder is that their tax dollars continue to fund this dark agenda as most people are distracted by celebrity gossip, sports, texting, video games, facebook, etc...to realize how tight that noose is becoming around their necks.

The kind of world that needs to be left to the next generation should be about honesty, trust between the people and those that are elected to look out for the best interest of them, the nation and international community, a sustainable environment and a world without the military industrial complex creating endless wars against humanity...i can go on and on...perhaps it's a utopian vision, I guess you can say i'm a dreamer but i'm not the only one. Just knowing that they can't KILL the TRUTH is comforting enough, because they fear it!!!!

Right!

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The Dis-covery of Man

Yah! For WikiLeaks

SoulTraveller says it right, government should be more transparent to the people that elected it to represent the nation's values and wishes. Systematically those in government have driven the wedge deeper between it and the electorate and have managed to set themselves apart from whom they are responsible. The clandestine activities are ultimately the populaces' responsibility to pay either in treasury or blood therefore it is the government's obligation to report all that they do on the nation's behalf. Government is not an over indulgent BABYSITTER, but purely the manager operating all at the behest of the nation's shareholders - we the people.

The actions of WikiLeaks and the reaction of those in government only emphasis how out of touch from the founding principles of nations things have become.

The next obvious question in this whole matter - is it just a US government rouse to divert attention from the economy and the failing wars? If the media is wasting their time on WikiLeaks all else seems to fall by the way-side. The MSM will parrot this debacle for weeks in the meantime the USdollar is becoming worthless by the day....

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A Diversion?

Possibly so. But, seeing as how Interpol is involved and even Swedish authorities are calling for Assange's arrest it makes me think this is bigger than the U.S. government trying to distract us from their failings. I don't know....but Assange definitely seems like a threat to those in charge, which makes me like him. :)

Right in my opinion. Freedom

Right in my opinion. Freedom of information Act exists, and the Government is supp posed to keep no secrets. Yet we have classified documents. These documents obviously show the wrong doings and such of our own military so why keep them a secret?

RIGHT, LEFT, FORWARDS, BACKWARDS

if its the truth, it is not wrong.\
there's a TED talk with Assange where he points out that to the people living in the occupied territories, none of these cables were classified info, they were everyday life, i think that sums it up.

i'll find the link and post it shortly to add to this pertinent debate.

national security vs global harmony

Check This Report - Deals With WikiLeaks and Iran

The link opens to several video clips, the first of the these relates to insights about WikiLeaks cables and New York Times report on the Iran connection:

More at The Real News

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Who farted in the elevator?

We're in a packed elevator, and we all smell a fart. We all know it's there, the person who farted knows they did it, we all wrinkle our noses, and then one person turns and points and says "it was bob". Thanks for the info, but what are we going to do about it? It still stinks in here, and embarrassing bob doesn't make it go away.

What makes it go away is the person who hits the next floor button and opens the door to let some fresh air in.

Is it good that this information has come to light? In the long run yes, but the way it was released will encourage the darker elements of our government to push for more restrictions and security and less protection for whistle blowers.

Some on has to take on the system, and open the door, to let some fresh air in, not just identify who farted.

6 Tektite Serpent
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"That which we obtain too easily, we esteem too lightly" - Thomas Paine
"We never reflect how pleasant it is to ask for nothing" - Seneca

'Some on(e) has to take on

'Some on(e) has to take on the system, and open the door, to let some fresh air in, not just identify who farted.'

You are absolutely right, and not just with respect to information but with respect to ALL our social systems mismanaged and corrupted by decades of self-serving politicians and the cronies that support their devious schemes at the expense of the citizenry whom they have so encumbered with BULLSHIT television and unserviceable debt, fearing for their jobs and livelihood they don't have the available time nor attention span as to be oblivious to what is happening around them. You can bet the majority of people doing their 9-5 and more accurately 24-7 shift of enslavement, haven't a clue of what WikiLeak represents nor do they likely even care.

With so much going wrong on a global scale unless someone finds a way to release the pressure on the pressure cooker that has been on the burner just a little too long, there is only one inevitable resolve and it doesn't take too much imagination to realize what that is!

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VERY interesting

VERY interesting analogy........and I think you're right.

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Article by Dedalus

I enjoyed this article, and believe that the author is "on the money." We must do all we can to provide gov't transparency and STOP THE WAR MACHINE!!!

Incidentally, some of my friends have been complaining that WikiLeaks is really a Mossad/CIA operation. Yet, I..at least, so far...feel that this represents classical disinformation. Anything that can more completely keep us informed and educated these days is very welcome. What's more, most any talk about "aiding and abetting" our enemies is just foolishess or propaganda, as we currently have no serious enemies, and our illegal overseas wars are only ENCOURAGING terrorism. The "powers that be" were caught with their pants down with the collapse of the Soviet Union, and then felt compelled to come up with a substitute...either a Cold War or Hot War. It is big money and a horrendous hidden agenda, that we must defeat at any cost. Like Vietnam revisited...in spades!!!

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