You've got to be kidding -- sorry, but 'Thrive' is a load of crap
posted by Deniz | January 20, 2012
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IcerocketSo, apparently "Evolver Intensives" (already suspiciously money-driven, with its so-called spiritual offerings) is now hosting Foster Gamble, to give you hope for a future of green, unlimited energy. Yep, you can sit back in your armchairs and relax guys--the UFOs with their torus-wisdom are going to save us any day now...
As dismayed as I was that people were buying into ridiculous conspiracy theories over the years, the mindless self-indulgence that typifies the fawning over 'Thrive' is simply maddening. This latest in the "movement" films posists--get this--that the principles that can give us free energy devices are known and that the technology is just around the corner!
It speaks to the degree with which so many people I see indulged in "spiritual" life quests have buried their heads so deeply into the ground that they lack the most basic critical faculties to recognize the obviously ridiculous.
If the average person can't immediately see how this film is totally nuts, we're doomed. Its nonsensical nature is so evident, even on the surface, let alone after careful thinking. Is it really so hard to believe that Mr. Gamble is a charlatan, merely a self-interested sweet-talker, who tells you exactly what you've been waiting to hear?
This Article is spot-on in its warning about the film:
http://transitionculture.org/2012/01/09/film-review-why-thrive-is-best-a...
Come on, people: zero evidence is offered for these fantastic claims of free energy. Where's the prototype? Where's the theory? Where's the diagram? Would any serious scientists or... engineers accept this? No. Should we believe this guy when he says he can violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics? No. This is scary, scary garbage and I'm so sad that anyone is taking this seriously; it's a dangerous distraction from real work for social progress that could be done. Instead it manufactures armchair utopians who are just waiting for the free energy to save us all.
If people can't rise to this level of critical thought, we might as well give up on hopes for a better future right now. An empty head and hopeful heart will take our social movements to nowhere of consequence, except perhaps to their own destruction. All the while, we will be distracted with promising, but ultimately empty promises.
Comments
hmmmm
— Jan 20, 2012
I looked this group over and like you have said some of it seems off base. "Seems" off base is an uninformed point of view and views do change over time.
What interested me was its references to sacred geometry. A spiritual pathway that might have some truth to it somewhere. Where exactly that truth might be I do not know but I'm looking.
http://www.evolver.net/user/harbinger/blog/symbolism_yin_yang
Now about that device. What appears to be depicted could be a magnetic field.
http://peaceeagleherbs.com/herbalhour/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/C001378...
A magnetic field surround the Earth if it could be harnessed for energy mankind would have an unlimited supply of energy. We are far from plugging our appliances into the Earth itself for electricity but actually it might be possible. In fact most electricity is made this way today from magnetos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto
Currently doing so is about as possible as the creation of the perpetual motion machine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_perpetual_motion_machines
But there is always tomorrow.
Like you, I am skeptical about some of their claims.
You might also see .....
the "big picture" is alchemy:
— Jan 20, 2012
The people who promote it know better; they aren't stupid. I think they like what they see in terms of the following that the film has produced, and they see it as a useful-if-flawed tool around which they can draw more people to their cause. They rationalize, ``Yeah, okay, maybe it has its flaws. But if you look at the bigger picture, the basic messages (whatever they are) of the film are spot on.''
Now THAT is alchemy: the "big picture" is a force that reliably turns shit into shinola.
Your critique
— Jan 20, 2012
First of all; from what I have read, Mr. Gamble is pretty much disconnected from the company, as well as any say so within it. The other thing that I have gleaned; he has used his own funds (without company involvement) to make and produce this movie. It sounds to me that many are judging the man for his genes, and his station at birth. It appears that he has never really taken an interest in the business, and has always been on his own path. People of all walks of life can be enlightened! It sounds to me that the critique here is not really his motives for making the move, but his wealth. Its obvious that he doesn't need the money; so then one must consider the motive. This movie certainly isn't benefiting Proctor and Gamble. Possibly his motive for this is pure. Possibly he truly wants to educate us about alternative paths. We heard the same type of criticism against Al Gore. Everything that he covered in "An Inconvenient Truth" is coming to pass. What were his motives for bringing us truth? Furthering his political career? It was political suicide for him, at the time. At times one must accept motives for what they appear. Sincere.
Secondly; Nicola Tesla did have designs for energy efficient electrical generation, including a perpetual motion generator, also the Tesla coil, which amplified the voltage of a miniscule amount of power into enough electricity to power a town, basically by each home just receiving wireless electricity, somewhat like WiFi. Conveniently, (on behalf of the energy and petroleum companies) the government stepped in and confiscated all of Tesla's patents, plans, notes, etc. immediately after his death. How convenient for John D. Rockefeller, and J.P. Morgan. Tesla was only one of many during the 20th century with new and advanced ideas for energy or transportation, who's ideas were crushed, or were just killed outright for their effort.
he said himself in the
— Jan 20, 2012
he said himself in the movie, paraphrased: "this footage isn't very good and I don't expect you to believe it. but I saw it with my own eyes and it convinced me enough to be here talking to you"
so what if it's quackery, he's got a point that the entire worldview must change for any type of real solutions to problems. The fields of science and engineering academics are just as dominated by large corporate interests. If you can't make a return investment on it, why invest? Of course, ethics and morality are slowly seeping into these entities... or defeating them.
I only say this having taken ayahuasca and being able to understand the bio-energetic roots of all medical ailments. It sure makes mainstream modern pharmaceuticals forever look like alot of quackery in that light.
sorry, not necessarily arguing for or against anything. Just willfully suspending my disbelief.
I didn't see the movie, nor
— Jan 22, 2012
I didn't see the movie, nor do I have much faith in claims of free energy, but I must say I don't agree when someone invokes the second law of thermodynamics the way you did here. My own thermodynamics teacher said that the first time you study thermodynamics, you won't understand it, the second time you'll understand most of it, and the third time you won't understand it again. The second law is a useful model of the world, but I think it's dangerous to become so attached to one's intellectual tools that one regards it as insulting when something seems to contradict them.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying I believe in this video's claims (whatever they are). I think if even a tenth of the people who claim to have knowledge of better energy sources were telling the truth, those technologies would be mainstream by now. But I don't think weird science like this should be dismissed simply because it contradicts our best models. Every model we use today contradicted someone's best model at some point.
The movie is a grab bag of
— Jan 22, 2012
The movie is a grab bag of so many tantilising ideas, kind of mushed together. It was unsatisfying in that it didn't go into any depth about any of them - and so many conspiracies and superficial connections just made it seem wacko. It was like one of those telemarketing ads that go on and on "but wait, there's more" in the end I was waiting for them to offer us a set of steak knives.
I think though, that everyone (including Gamble) is making sense of these converging ideas in their own (mostly wacky) way. Trouble is he seems to think he's the only one doing this - hey guys I invented a consciousness revolution (I don't think so).
Re. the torus and free energy. I was intrigued by the synergies with Schauberger's work - and wanted to hear more and more grounded in depth discussion about this. And I really liked the 3 dimensional treatment of the crop circles - I hadn't visualised them like this before and now I get the geometry stuff more. But it just didn't deliver on either of these things. Disappointing
And taxes - no one should pay them but everyone should (instead) contribute to a community fund. Sorry but aren't those the same thing. There was a lot of confusion about government - sometimes they were the innocent victim of big business, sometimes they were part of the conspiracy. It was a strange (very american) mixture of naivete, new ideas and paranoia about control.
Ultimately it was one person's take on everything thats happening - without the perspective that it was his own imaginative putting together of everything
And by the way - the production costs would have been close to zero - anyone could make that film in their lounge room with a few graphics. There wasn't any costly production that I saw - so yes - they are trying to make money out of it ... is that bad - or is it just strangely hypocritical and still within a certain paradigm ... not sure
I never buy anything for
— Jan 23, 2012
I never buy anything for sale
if a man or a woman look for righteousness and self control and embrace any struggle to be filled = he will never sell what he finds
if a man/woman seek God, understanding and wisdom - he will never sell what he gains
if a woman/man finds true healing and truth minus all lies = he will not dare
money is desire and duality and money is suffering - to seek it or give it to others is to seek shelter from truth, wisdom, understanding and self knowing
Throw your clocks away. The time is Now!
Debunking and Deconstructing THRIVE
— Feb 09, 2012
Here is a blog devoted to debunking all the nonsense in the THRIVE movie.
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/
Also, Georgia Kelly of the Praxis Peace Institute has just published a 55 page pamphlet deconstructing the libertarian political agenda of THRIVE
THRIVE itself part of the conspiracy?
— Feb 25, 2012
Deniz,
You might be interested in a comment I just posted on the THRIVE-Debunked blog which in turn copies a comment I made to one of your fellow Evolver bloggers.
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Hi Treok,
Assuming I were a career gov’t troll, I might also be on assignment to monitor other blogs that discuss THRIVE and I just posted this comment on a blog connected with the Reality Sandwich folks who did a recent interview with Foster Gamble.
I copy it here for you, Treok, because I need to find out how savvy you are about government operative/troll strategy and tactics. Again if I were hypothetically writing a recruitment report on you for future hiring, this is a question you need to answer correctly.
Your humble hypothetical future PsyOps Handler,
HT
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http://www.evolver.net/user/rae_liera/blog/voice_reason_age_insane
Is THRIVE itself part of the conspiracy?
Hollywood Tomfortas — Feb 25, 2012
Greetings Mark & Rae,
It is a signature of Psychological Operations Warfare in the military and paramilitary to “play both ends against the middle.” Another way of describing this strategy is “divide and conquer.”
I read your assessment of Foster Gamble above and would like to ask you if you might consider the possibility that Foster Gamble himself is a very successful gov’t disinformation agent whose movie THRIVE is itself a potent weapon in the PsyOps war that is raging in the USA today?
A good place to start your research is here at a blog site devoted to debunking THRIVE and all its ostensible conspiracy theories and pseudo-science.
[link to muertos blog inserted here]
