Insights on Divine Darkness

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IT IS THE DARKNESS THAT WE NEED TO EMBRACE NOW -
it is the power of Kali that has been misunderstood and neglected.

It is the Dark Beings that we need to thank and adore, they have made the largest sacrifice anyone has done in our entire Existence -
they are really angels of transformation, who should transform energy, not steal it and hold on to it - just send it on...

At the end of the brilliant trilogy His dark materials by Philip Pullman, the "evil" beings who have held souls trapped and plagued them after death gets a new mission. Their new mission is to hear the stories of humans as they pass on to freedom in the next life, or whatever awaits them after real death.

This is what Dark Beings should be doing. They should not steal or eat our energy, they should help us transform it. If we would just learn to let go, and transform

I think our main problem in our societies is that we believe we must be right, and thus, that others are wrong. The main problem is the lack of freedom and transformation. We are all unique, and we change in every moment that we live, because in every moment we meet a myriad of other unique beings who transform us IF we let ourselves and others change - transform. We often don't, and get sick from it, kill each other with it, suppress each other because of pure stubbornness.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS CONSTANTLY TRANSFORM, AND THAT MEANS TO SURRENDER ENTIRELY. The leaders of the world need to see this NOW, we all need to see this now.

Look into the eyes of Kali and see pure surrender. Look at Darkness and understand that it is Divine.

Any demon or Dark Being will reveal itself as an Angel/Being/Helper of Transformation when you TRULY LOVE through the fear, hate, anger - whatever - that it awakens in you. See and feel that it is healing. This is your challenge now.

DARKNESS IS DIVINE!

KALI MA!!!!!

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I am sorry if this post is a bit disorganised still, but I felt I needed to get this out NOW, and I am a bit in stress today. I have been wanting to share this so badly since a couple of weeks when I burst out to a friend that if someone wrote another mail ending with "love and light" I will scream!!!

So many humans call for light to get love and protection, well - darkness is just as much love, and we have had too much "light" (yang) power in this dimension. I am just as tired of hearing about "higher" and "lower" self, as if the lower parts of your body, mind or soul would be less divine than the higher ones.

My friend came up with the term "divine darkness" after our conversation, and I sign my mails with that now, cause that is what it is - darkness divine, and we need that more than light at the moment...

Concepts generally confuse people, and we need to wake up from this confusion, to pure LOVE, and SURRENDER TO TRANSFORMATION!

"Every night when I fall asleep I die, every day when I awaken I am reborn"
Gandhi

I LOVE YOU!!!

Comments

the dark side

nice. when i pick up a rock or stone, i want to see what is underneath, what is hidden, what gets exposed, but sunlight could possibly destroy some life forms that thrive in the dark. life and death go hand in hand. now there is an image!
~rr~

without death, no life =)

namaste!

makes perfect sense

...thank you for inducing thoughts on this...I now feel that we have hardly considered all so far...

Couldn't agree more

"I now feel that we have hardly considered all so far..." - my thoughts exactly =)
Thanks for the feed back!

There is already too much darkness

Too much darkness in the form of unconscious unseen shadow,
but that is exactly a result ov neglecting
the beast in us
the raw
wild
exstatic
and also the destructive,
which are all so vitally important.
And these powers,
individually as well as collective,
get really really mean,
if not respected, honoured and given room.

So I will continue writing of Love and Light,
as a call to consciuosness,
not as favouring one half of the circle.

A clear head is needed
for embracing darkness
in the quest for healing,
altogether a necessity,
not an option.

The prices for the attempt to cut out
matter (mater-ia), the solid, the senses,
ma-ya, [and the roaring anger]
always seem too high for me,
and the ugly consequences
are all around us
every day.

Aum Kali Ma
Jai Kali Ma

May the heart lotus
flow over from Bhakti.

Bitter pain to roaring Anger,
roaring Anger to burning Love.

BEAUTIFUL!!!

Wonderful and such true poem! I love your way with words,

"Bitter pain to roaring Anger,
roaring Anger to burning Love."

WOW =)

YES!!!

I really dont want to judge anyone for writing "love and light", it was just getting me emotional since I would love people to see the love in darkness and transformation. I guess one could see it as to send light is to create, to send darkness is sending creative power... In a sense =)
In both cases, love is the key for this to happen in a constructive manner.

Namaste dear friend!

Thank you...

...so much for this post! I couldn't agree more. I've been feeling a connection to Kali for quite some time now.

Perhaps I could also learn a lesson from just letting others BE who they are, realizing that everybody wakes up and comes along in their own time, including me. You can't force people to wake up. You can share information, but you can't force anyone to do anything they're not ready for. It doesn't work that way. Each in their own time, as they say.

But yes, I have read the phrase "love and light" one too many times, so I cracked up when I read that! You're hilarious! What I've noticed is that there are a LOT of New Age people out there who come across as very stuck-up and full of themselves, and who are completely deluded, in my opinion. I once posted as my Facebook status, "Anybody who says, out loud, 'I am nothing but pure love,' or anything to that effect, is a giant douchebag with a raging ego." I actually got a lot of "likes" for that, more than I expected. Lol. I guess others are feeling the same frustration.

You have to understand that the New Age religion comes from the Theosophical Society, which was actually fouded by Luciferian Madame Blavatsky in the late 1800's. Soon before WWII, Lucifer Trust was formed by Alice Baily, and the name was later changed to Lucis Trust. Even to this day, Lucis Trust and the Theosophical Society work closely with the United Nations. So Luciferianism is the official religion of the New World Order. Lucifer IS the light-bearer, the light-bringer, but he is a deceiver. So all of these "love and light" people are under a hypnotic spell. They think that they are pure and perfect and holy, but in reality they are anything but. In reality, they are Satanists who worship the false light.

And they're dangerous because they, in their egos, are always trying to "guide" and "instruct" others, who they see as being sick or aberrent. They feel especially threatened when they see others starting to wake up, and they will do anything to stop the process. "Oh, let me help you with your anger and paranoia problem... stop railing against the forces of darkness, it's not good for you... the only enemy you have is the one within yourself... you have a mental problem, and you need my help... just listen to me, and I can hypnotize you back into a nice sleep...." It's a form spiritual Prozac, and it's part of the control mechanism.

I'm very unusual in the sense that I think chaos is our only hope. The world must fragment and decentralize. The future belongs to the Rainbow Tribes.

By the way, I'm an actual descendent of the Celtic Clan MacLeod. One of our family crests shows a picture of a firey sun, and it says, "I burn but am not consumed."

Thank you, Kali, for your purifying and cleansing fire.
My soul burns but is not consumed.
Within your flames I shall be made new.

And so it is!

>:)

I love you Bodie

Thank you for the interesting and inspiring feed back, you are often hilarious too =) Glad to hear that you as I have felt the call to surrender to the power of Kali - I know we both also feel that there are lot people out there who could use this power - less control, more freedom ....

"Perhaps I could also learn a lesson from just letting others BE who they are, realizing that everybody wakes up and comes along in their own time, including me."
This is I think one of the most important lessons of transformation, of divine darkness. We are all unique, and all fill different unique positions in this dance called life, Existence. My favourite saying, which I actually made up myself (hello ego =) is "You are unique - all you do is ground-breaking", and that goes for all of us. Also the dark beings, who, according to my experience, are as much love as anything else.

About being pure love, hm... I believe, all is GoddessGod - and then, is not all love?
;)
But still, I know what you mean!

Sending you love, light and darkness divine sister - I greatly enjoy dancing with you!!!

I find myself wanting to say

I find myself wanting to say both yes and no to this post, but I think its best to say thank you!

You are welcome!

=)
namaste!

Relativity...

Revolution requires that one come full circle, evolution requires that one not repeat the same revolution over and over. Sometimes this requires a little practice. Perhaps more velocity, perhaps a little bump is required, and perhaps a subtle combination of both. To each, their experience is their own so what becomes of it is relative only to them, and each in our own place on what such paths we have chosen for ourselves.

I cannot will not say which is better or worse, I am not here to judge. I only know that it is difficult to make your way in the dark with the light shining in your face. Relative to my own experience having that light in my face for so long, I have no need for it, not yet anyway and I have endured this very unique stress longer than I can remember and empathetically bleeding out, and, by the looks of it will need to continue to do so for a while longer...

It is also difficult to see out of the light threw patches of darkness to other sources of light. One needs to become well adjusted to the darkness to make their way across some unlighted paths. Heightened awareness to be able to sense all the pitfalls and obstructions to be avoided. It isn't until you find some useful in shadows that you need to shine light upon it to examine it closer.

I think to realize the magnitude and scope of the journey itself is what influences this the most. Have you ever had a flashlight go dead in your time of need? Perhaps you let the children play with it and the battery ran down. Whatever the reason matters not, all that matters is that you are not prepared and you can only ever have only yourself to blame for that.

So charge your batteries and keep them charged and do not use it frivolously, but conservatively. Learn the landscape like the back of your hand so that in times of great darkness and despair you will not be completely lost and your light shall shine the brightest it is capable for the longest duration possible when it is revealed, when all others who have failed to learn this lesson shrink from fear. Which is important if you have no idea how long the storm will last or how much further the journey takes one into and threw the shadows.

But be weary, there are those who have already given up. They do not yet see the extent of the journey ahead and not convinced they can make it regardless. So the lights are on all the time, they burn hot and they burn bright, because to them it's better to burn out than to fade away and have no compunction about taking you with them. Even seek to burn your last match to preserve their own speculations about the darkness.

"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."

nice, I haven't heard it

nice, I haven't heard it expressed that way before:

"Revolution requires that one come full circle, evolution requires that one not repeat the same revolution over and over."

Very good points

Just like Shivadove, I really like this:
"Revolution requires that one come full circle, evolution requires that one not repeat the same revolution over and over. "
and I also like the rest of your points.

As a black hole is where Universe emerges, divine darkness can charge up that battery you need - maybe there is even no end to the light one can give out, if in constant transformation...

Namaste!

Precisely, If we look at how

Precisely, If we look at how electromagnetism works... Take copper wire and wrap it into a coil, which is revolutions building on revolutions. Then you shove energy threw it. So long as you are shoving energy threw it, it acts like a magnet. This physical characteristic requires 3 things which all have relative metaphysical counterparts. There's resource or knowledge, energy; current(sea) or will, and motion of energy or action of....heart? body? This is my problem with things like 'The Secret', which doesn't model nature in the slightest. I just don't believe sitting around and thinking about it provides enough of these 3 requirements to yield 'attraction'. One must do more than just think about it, they must move, they must act, and they must behave in accordance with that which they seek to attract or become, because whatever we wish to attract into our lives are things we wish to add to ourselves or our lives to fill some sort of void and make us complete.

Many coast threw life never knowing what they're missing... Others feel they are missing something and reaching desperately to fill the void and often hastily fill such voids with anything. And of course when placed in an environment whereby the are missing so much, need much more to fill in to perceive themselves whole and complete. Which is then manipulated from birth. http://www.evolver.net/user/sat_yoga_institute/blog/mother_all_rites_pas...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdd_uS743Lk

"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."

I think we simply agree

I think we simply agree on these things, also on The Secret - and that feels good! It is nice to agree once in a while, and very good to connect with you =)

Thanks for the links!

<3

=)

"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."

my $.02

I came to love the darkness when I realized if I were to create a story I might want really villainous characters. When I'm trapped under the weight of demons I can see nothing but hatred, but when I'm outside of that mindset I sometimes really love the demonic, it's just so cool. Ultimately I think we're one consciousness exploring all the ways to masturbate, and evil realities are one of those ways.

When Sri Ramakrishna was asked why, if God is good, is there evil in the world, he replied, “To thicken the plot.”

But what is evil?

I love you Shivadove, and I so much appreciate this comment - very sincere, great humour, a lot of insight! At the same time, I'm feeling a quite big "but" growing in me when I read your 2 cents ;D

I think we are one consciousness learning how to be One-and-Apart in love, and I think that we are just getting a handle on it. I think that this is the great change of consciousness that we are now starting to really feel, and soon live. And in this change, I think we will most of all learn to change and let go, constantly. Panta rei in action.

Evil and evil actions, a very human trait, comes from suffering. Suffering comes from not accepting, and thus not letting go (yes, I am simplifying a bit, but bare with me). When we truly accept love as the transforming power it is, I think evil will be no more. That does not mean the end of suffering, sadness, anger, fear, even hate. But it means that we can tell our stories to Dark Beings and they can do what they want with them (the energy), because through being in constant transformation, our energy is endless.

Word connotations

I think the word connotations within dark and light leave little to wonder why people embrace words like "light and love" to project how they wish the world to be. And the words are pretty top-heavy, not that balance ever figures into ideals.

As a topic, I think you could go farther with descriptions on the need for consistent jolts of destructive/transforming energies for the global movement. And these sometimes need happen beyond human control, though war cannot be overlooked. One might also call to mind horrible plagues, raging volcanoes, devastating floods or earthquakes as times when societies have been transformed by natural events. These events were all surrounded by people swimming in seas of uncertainty and in the "dark" the world suddenly changed. In this change people either have to make a lateral move, be diminished or improve.

I think it is the overwhelming uncertainty of what to do now that we can all see each other so much more clearly, all these different ideas and societies growing this mass connection on the Internet, that has caused many people to begin realizing what having this many pieces of the sociological puzzle might mean.

Though I personally imagined several scenarios surrounding this, I'll leave the results to your own line of reasoning. And your own line of reasoning is key, for mine sees that we are in dark days and facing change on a rate our ancestors could never have foreseen. They faced the Black Death and Dark Ages. Today we face the unknown of what happens when you begin to know enough to make a decision, which also means you know all of the different directions this thing could spin off into. It's nice to imagine sometimes that the fiction of futuristic societies could be in our living rooms tomorrow.

And I think it is wise to embrace this brand of dark uncertainty with arms of intention, which we have hardly begun to see in any real way not utterly obliterated by the inefficient management of worldwide resources.

Knowledge becomes evil if the aim be not virtuous. ~ Plato

Good, bad, right, wrong, light, dark -- The definitions of what we will accept is now only on the shoulders of what we want. It faces the question of what will we want when we don't want all this "stuff" anymore and the truth behind labor and economies fail in the oligarchy occurring in the banking systems. It faces what we will teach children about the past and about how they should regard world conditions in mass flux.

The hardest part in this is that more and more cultures are beginning to empathize with each other and at the same time growing harder and harder to convince that this is a good thing. And it seems to be stalled out, which is dimensionally impossible because empathy is still growing.

Yes, embrace the dark. Embrace it in the sense that Kali is to be worshiped and revered in so much as feared. Embrace it like the perfection of talent once one has met the Devil at the crossroads. We are at the crossroads.

The gift of change is in understanding.

If the age we are leaving be known as one controlled by mass fearfulness and uncertainty, of human atrocity and destruction. Then let the next be known for the awakening and corresponding light of knowledge, reason, en"light"enment and empathy, which is sensitive and impressionable.

The technologically enhanced version of a new mass human spiritual renaissance with more balance thrown in is all I could hope to see, but gaining it will require care, respect and empathy -- like reaching out to a suspicious animal we hope to befriend while going through an earthquake.

I'm glad you brought the topic further

I'm glad you brought the topic further, then I don't have to - and this is just my point, in a way. We are all unique, and have unique interpretations to give each other. Every moment is unique, and if one surrenders to it in love, on eis in constant transformation.

I don't think Kali should be feared at all, respected, but not feared - at least not on a long term basis. Fear is an emotion that helps us pay attention - it is nothing to hold on to.

What should be feared, or better said avoided, is not to surrender to the power she represents - transformation and change, death and resurrection. Humans have often feared this, and we still do - and we often call the things we fear or don't like "dark". We want to know, we want to "shed light" on things. But yet, only through realising that we know nothing can we truly come to know that it is to LIVE.

Btw - I do not think the power of Kali ever demanded the many tragic sacrifices (I mean the ancient rituals) that has been made in her name, this power is about accepting the ever-changing dance of life AS IT IS. Earth quakes and all.

I do not think that it is a coincidence that "Devil" spells "lived" backwards, and we meet the image of a Devil as we hang on to the past, and/or values that we are trying to keep. When we burst out in anger or hate towards those who threaten our ego, instead of surrender to change. Etc.

I totally understand that people write "love and light" to each other, and I do not want to judge anyone here. I am talking about my feeling, and my feeling is - we need to accept change, let go of fundamentalism, of thinking that we know everything, and so on.

I also understand that we humans have interpreted darkness as something to fear, because it is the great unknown. Yet, the great unknown, the inside of the black holes, is the source of everything. Maybe it is even the source of light, scientifically speaking...
So I think we need to get over this fear.

Namaste, with love!!

you are unique - all you do is ground-breaking
florries.wordpress.com - on life and living

Unitive

If you believe in an all existing creator being or GOD then its all God. He's/She's/It's just using different hats on each finger divine finger puppet.

and so it is...

namaste!

Trapped -

by definitions of a dualistic worldview.
Trapped by theistic beliefs.
If you seen only shadows
presume your back is to the light.
Are the only colors black and white ?
No ?
Then why remain in a world
of two colors?

" A rising tide - drowns those without boats " - Cee Are
"The object under your feet is always the dance floor " - Cee Are

well said -

- good question!

Words are confusing to say the least. I wasn't even thinking of colours, just darkness and light, and how we see these things. It is all GodGoddess to me =)

I'm gonna dive into my rainbow of dreams now...

Namaste!

Until you have "seen" evil

you will not "know" evil. Evil is a force, a negative energy that absorbs "all"; This is its nature. Like a black hole sucking in the universe evil consumes all.

Do not assume change is evil, in fact change is largely a confrontation with evil.

Squeeze a balloon anywhere and it expands elsewhere.
All ebbs and flows, ebbs and flows,
balance is maintained,
good persists, evil persists till the battle to end all time.
That war rages in the now.
Time is an illusion
All that has existed, all that exists, all that will exist lasted only an instant.

Choose evil and you will face the riders of the storms of chaos, those that ride on the Tiger's back, Spirit Warriors. You do not wish to do battle with them black tongues they will show you no mercy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzxj7rH1iy4

Do not call on Evil for it may come.

This I have "seen".

I am not talking about evil...

and I have seen what most people call "evil".

And, even after that, I don't believe in evil.

And even if I did, it is not what I am talking about in this post =)

Namaste,
S

You have made your choice

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Come down from your high horses =)

I seriously think you have no clue what you are talking about

Someone as stuck in their ego like you are should not trust what they "see", sorry for being so blunt, but I am doing you a favour.

I wish you to find the True Love in your life and your heart,

take care!

From Tales of Power

From Tales of Power by Carlos Castaneda. source, DJM

The self-confidence of a warrior is not the self-confidence of the average man. The average man seeks certainty in the eyes of the onlooker and calls that self-confidence. The warrior seeks impeccability in his own eyes and calls that humbleness. The average man is hooked to his fellow men, while the warrior is hooked only to himself. You're after the self-confidence of the average man, when you should be after the humbleness of a warrior. The difference between the two is remarkable. Self-confidence entails knowing something for sure; humbleness entails being impeccable in one's actions and feelings.

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It doesn't matter what one reveals or what one keeps to oneself. Everything we do, everything we are, rests on our personal power. If we have enough of it, one word uttered to us might be sufficient to change the course of our lives. But if we don't have enough personal power, the most magnificent piece of wisdom can be revealed to us and that revelation won't make a damn bit of difference.

You didn't have this knowledge before, now you do. I have revealed it to you, but it doesn't make a bit of difference, because you don't have enough personal power to utilize my revelation. Yet if you did have enough power, my words alone would serve as the means for you to round up the totality of yourself and to get the crucial part of it out of the boundaries in which it is contained.

Your body is the boundary I'm talking about. One can get out of it. We are a feeling, an awareness encased here. We are luminous beings and for a luminous being only personal power matters.

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There not just empty words ............. Harbinger

LOL

I've heard it said, "God protects fools, drunks and children". I think you'll be OK no matter what decisions you make.

I'm done.

Good that you are done =)

Arrogance is terrible and very dangerous. Take good care of yourself.

my comment from facebook

I wrote this on the fb wall for today's Evolver:Invisible Allies event on the 18th:

I just read this from the blog of the Evolver.net site, from Susan Florries 'Insights on Divine Darkness':

'So many humans call for light to get love and protection, well - darkness is just as much love, and we have had too much "light" (yang) power in this dimension. I am just as tired of hearing about "higher" and "lower" self, as if... the lower parts of your body, mind or soul would be less divine than the higher ones.'

So impressive! It's so refreshing to hear someone put their cards on the table and basically say, 'Enough with all this sweetness and light crap, there's way more to awakening, than just being a 'nice person''.

Interesting.....

re: Until you have "seen" evil

Interesting that the final two lines of subtitle from this video clip referenced above on the subject of 'evil' are as follows:

"If you want to know yourself you must face your demons, and bring light into the darkest corners of your soul"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzxj7rH1iy4

Is that not what we are talking about here?

It is OK to agree....... there are as many paths to the one truth as there are grains of sand, as many rituals, rites, beliefs and experiences as could ever have been in the complexity of the matrix.

As we emerge from the hologram, may we see the unity in truth, and embrace our differences as opportunities to expand understanding of all that is, realizing at last that we are all arriving together at this threshold with common love, common intent.

The beauty in these discussions is the discovery of the one love we all experience, struggle with, are confused by.....everyone here essentially agrees at their core, in this realization, we evolve . . . .

Thank you!

Wow. Did this post bring out some discussions and emotions, wonderful! So much great feed back, so much wisdom learned on my part. I have awakened, yet again, to a new reality today, and I have you who have commented here to thank for that.

I think some reflections are in order, and I would like to start with clearing out a confusion here, one which I am responsible for myself. Because in my post, I actually talk about two quite separate matters as if they are one and the same thing, which they are not, although connected.

One is the use of the word "darkness" to describe "evil" or bad things, and the lack of acceptance of darkness and chaos as a power of love. As an example of this is the cults that often praised Kali through human sacrifice, a practise I think the power that Kali represents deeply resents. Kali is the dance of life, and protects all life through constant transformation. Without death, no life. Since all energy is constant, nothing disappears, it just transforms into something else. Trying to make Kali "happy" through pushing death is thus not really a good practise, more it is about accepting death, catastrophes, etc, as a vital part of life.

Many talk about the return of the Divine Feminine, or maybe better said, the restoring of the balance between the Divine Feminine and the Divine Masculine, as a basis for the change in consciousness that we are living in this moment. Considering that the power of the Divine Feminine often is described as "darkness" (yin) or as an "the unknown/undefined", I think an acceptance of darkness as just as much love as "light" is in order. In my post I expressed my frustration on this, a very human frustration, in saying that I will scream if someone sends me another email signed "love and light". Like I explained in my response to the comment from Karmaburner, I of course do not want to judge anyone doing so, and when I am not emotional, it does not make me scream =) Still, I so wish that we would accept darkness as a force of love, and stop seeing "light" as the power of "salvation" or "love".

Still, like TruthTreaty and Cee Are pointed out in different ways, these are still all just words, and in using language, one is left with the interpretations of the world that we humans have used up till now. With the change in consciousness these words and the interpretation of them will change, and this post was an attempt to add my 2 cents to that development. Yet, since we are using "the same old language as before", one opens up to what can seem like misunderstandings. Some of that can be seen in the discussions above.

And then again, it is not about misunderstandings, but just different types of understandings. As Crystl37 expresses above, "The beauty in these discussions is the discovery of the one love we all experience, struggle with, are confused by.....everyone here essentially agrees at their core, in this realization, we evolve . . . ."
In my exchange with Boadie, we talked about exactly this - we are all unique, and we will all understand things in unique ways. Accepting this is a vital part in accepting the "not-knowing" power that lies in acceptance of darkness and chaos as as much love as order and light.

And here I am talking about all of this, and suddenly comes another unique being, Harbinger, expressing his truth, and I react with anger and condemnation...I must most humbly apologize to you, Harbinger! The way you worded your comment brings out the worst in me, and projected me straight into a trauma-behaviour/a behaviour pattern. I do think that this experienced provoked a deep healing on my part, and I thank you deeply for that. Namaste!

I have written a comment on trauma here: http://www.evolver.net/user/apauldine/blog/curious_hands#comment-104187 and I will soon release a post about this here on Evolver. Knowing how trauma works, I find it very interesting how I posted two replies to Harbingers second comment, one being what I wanted to say (what is the choice that you think that I have made), and the other worded by my traumatised self - way to angry and also arrogant. For a lot of reasons, my old traumas are connected to the kind of wording that Harbinger used in his comment, and they were also awakened by several things this weekend. I do not want to go into what and why, it is to personal. But it brought a lot of healing to me.

What Harbinger and many others here above talked about was the existence of "evil" and "evil" or "dark" beings, the second main theme of my post. Now, I have met what some describe as "evil" both on this plane and in others, and my experience it that there is no such thing like "evil". Just like I suddenly projected my anger/hurt feelings at Harbinger, almost as if he would be "evil", I think that we all project this idea upon something that has more to do with symptoms of pain and suffering.

When I have met what some call "archons" or "inorganic beings" or "the predator", and what some call "demons" or "the helpers of the inorganic beings", my experience is that with love, they transform into helpers and love. They might also explode, but that is also a type of transformation. It is important to see that like everything else, they ARE beings of love. I have had many discussions with shamans who think I am crazy because of this, but I cannot deny my experience. A usual argument against my behaviour is that "the predator" eats energy, and "giving them love" will only feed them. But love is not energy, in my understanding, it is the basic vibration that beats in all of Existence.

Talking about words - "evil" is "live" spelled backwards, and that says something about what we are trying to learn about it to me. When we do not LIVE, which is existing in constant transformation/ change, we will be faced with and act like "evil". That does not make us "evil", nor anyone else.

I think "the predator", "demons" (etc), just like all parts of Existence, is working on becoming One-and-Apart in True Love (from being One True Love). They eat energy, and live a very hard existence, having had to take on the role of "evil". If anything, one should help liberating them, help them evolve, and that can be done through liberating/evolving oneself - according to my experience.

These are weird thoughts to some, and I am glad that some found it inspiring, and like Mercury33 said, refreshing. What we need are new, refreshing perspectives, and much more will come with the amazing evolution we live now!

Thank you everyone for this wonderful exchange,
love, light and darkness divine,
Susan

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But why apologize?

That's your dark side, your entire article is about embracing the dark side. If you really wish to embrace the dark side of human nature smoke crack or meth or shot up heroine I'm sure you'll learn all about it, well if you survive you will. I mean you no disrespect in the comments I'm making. My experience tells me this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxb0lj-7_0U

My experience also tells me I'm powerless over people so it doesn't really matter what I say to you. I could talk to the wall and have more influence then speaking to people but I need something to do so I do this. All is, folly.

I didn't expect you to understand, I'm getting older and have been through a lot maybe in time you'll understand.

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Harbinger, expressing his truth, and I react with anger and condemnation...I must most humbly apologize to you, Harbinger! The way you worded your comment brings out the worst in me, and projected me straight into a trauma-behaviour/a behaviour pattern. I do think that this experienced provoked a deep healing on my part, and I thank you deeply for that. Namaste!

"That's your dark side, your

"That's your dark side, your entire article is about embracing the dark side."

We're going to have to agree to disagree about what darkness is, and about what my article is about.

Namaste!

tackling ticks

This monism / dualism debate reminds me strongly
of a story I once read about nepalese shamans,
who basically have two approaches to healing
and dealing with astral parasites,
some acting as demon slayers and forcing them out by brute force,
while the others sending them love and transformation
so they can move on and so stop to molest the patient.

Both parties see the other as profound crazy,
and quite dangerous.

Seems to be a gap difficult to bridge.....

Yes! I hear you! I've been

Yes! I hear you!

I've been making kombucha tea for the last months, and it's amazing to me what goodness can grow out of the dark-dark.

Yay =)

Kombucha tea is great =)

Well met!
Susan

Well you all

- bent my head out of shape, giving rise to some very nasty thoughts
& I'm still not sure what the purpose or point of the original post was.
My earlier comment was to demostrate the falseness of a dualistic limited viewpoint, but I see it went right over everyone's heads.
Ah Well !
" A rising tide - drowns those without boats " - Cee Are
"The object under your feet is always the dance floor " - Cee Are

I understand you

Actually, I understand perfectly well what you mean. But sometimes it can still be useful to discuss different concepts, and how one can change ones viewpoint on these concepts. I was expressing a to me inspiring perspective on darkness and light. I found the discussion under this post very useful, and there where many people expressing good thoughts.

I must say, I still do agree with you! Existence is very complex.

"The object under your feet is always the dance floor " - Cee Are

I can very much relate to that =)

Namaste
Susan

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