On Unconditional Love and Dark Beings

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Today I woke up seeing that the Evolver Facebook-admin had asked the question - what is unconditional love?

Further down among the comments the Evolver-admin wrote:

"Our idea of "unconditional love" may be based on certain ideals of certain religious dogma that may be unhealthy... or ideals, or even ideas (as John Lash proposes in his book 'Not In His Image') implanted by entities that do not have our best interests at heart. Lash believes the Gnostics knew of these entities and referred to them as "Archons."

In answer to this, as well as in the light of the recent discussions on Dark Beings here on Evolver, I wrote the following answer - my point of view, here a bit better edited than on Facebook =)

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The only condition there is to be loved is to be alive in the broadest sense imaginable of the word - I for example consider dead people to be alive - energy transforms into something else, it does not disappear.

We are all one, connected, even science shows this these days. So we love each other unconditionally whether we want to or not.

I see it more like that "they" - the Dark Beings, Archons, whatever the right name is, whatever they are, if they are real or just an idea - a symbolical interpretation of something that is going on in our mind - "they" have fed on our inner nature, our will to Love.

People here and elsewhere describe the experience of meeting Dark Beings, or Inorganic Beings - a kind of alien race or a for us simply incomprehensible existence with a consciousness, that dominates us because we allow them to. The freedom from this dominance goes through the right way of living - more or less, living in radical freedom as a healed person. Let me just say that I am quite open to this idea because of my own experiences, and I lean to the "energy that we do not understand"-viewpoint. I also think that no matter what one thinks of this, I think that many can agree upon that our dominant societal systems, religions and/or these beings, programmed us/manipulated us or just foolishly fooled us to think that love equals some kind of comfortable, romantic, or at least verifying feeling
- kind of saying "I verify your existence and you are perfect as you are". I think we are imperfect and "perfect" True Love as we are! There is a slight but important difference here - the latter is more connected to an existence in transformation.

"Non-transformative verification" is a part of being a believer in a fairly static world with rigid structures - like those in our still quite dominance, authoritarian and punishment ruled society where good is good and evil is evil and the one is only rarely transformed into the other. In reality I think that we are in constant transformation from the one to the other. Living in radical freedom and impeccability releases the self from these structures, and thus releases the inner Nature - which I believe to be True Love.

True Love and equals to something like Openness - and I believe that this is the true nature of All. It can transform, hurt, feel like someone is ripping out a bad tooth, etc... It can also feel completely overwhelming, ripping one apart just to put all back together again... and it can feel like, or maybe better said, be complete Bliss.

With this Love we CAN love our "enemy" without feeding them our energy - because when we are open in this way, we don't "romantically love" them or reinforce their existence, no:

we vibrate with that in them which is the same True Love - vibrating with openness - and then they hurt badly - or at least they stay far away. OR, I believe, they can even transform, if one vibrates "hardcore True Love".

In Magic there is "there is no spoon". In True Love there is just True Love.

This is my belief, my experience, my medicine if you like.

Thinking like this has made me ponder on, that if we do let ourselves be eaten because we imagine that we cannot control our power or, in more mundane words, we let our minds be uncreative because of fear, this might be our pepping to not give up on evolving until we master radical freedom in True Love - openness. Maybe this is why evolution of Existence, or the larger plan or (...) has evolved Inorganic Beings - to push us towards being free, or just to keep us from having to much power before we are truly Free Beings -
or for us to follow our own inherent wish for freedom and explode in True Love to achieve it.

Let me add: all I know is that I know nothing - and I admit that Dark Beings could be a construct of the mind, or aliens, or demons, or energy that we have misunderstood, or Archons or... Sometimes I think of this as the Nothingness in Fantasia in The never-ending story =)

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Comments

Thank you for sharing your ideas

I enjoyed reading your essay and really resonate with it. I really do need to be reminded of certain things. I want to believe in unconditional love but like I interpreted from your essay, when love is trivialized into simply being romantic, the idea of unconditional love becomes trivialized. On the other hand, love can be simply a condition of us just being, being who were really are, who we were meant to be without thought and intellect. There is such a struggle sometimes between the heart and the mind within me, but I find that at least for me, when I let go of my thoughts, my heart simply loves, regardless, without thought. What is that love that I am talking about? I cannot describe it because it is not an intellectual concept for me, rather it's a state of being. Thank you for reminding me of this. I don't need to think about it to believe that unconditional love exists, I just need to be it and in that, know that it exists. xo

Find you soul...it's the one thing only you can do.

thank you - i resonate with to you too

Thanks for your great feedback - I can very much resonate with you too =)

"to believe that unconditional love exists, I just need to be it and in that, know that it exists." - is a very nice description - I especially like the trinity structure in it!

But how does this highly

But how does this highly abstract notion of "unconditional love" that you laid down for us translate into acting in the world?

"Loving your enemy" quickly becomes an attitude that permits and enables abusers while disempowering their victims. If a woman tells me that she is being abused, the worst thing that I can tell her is to try and love her abuser, or to see things from HIS perspective, and to realize that she and her abuser are the same. The victim of abuse is CONSTANTLY forced to identify with the abuser's perspective and to disregard her own.

Even worse are religious dogmas that tell the victim that their abuse is actually some payment of karmic debt, and that they should actually thank their abuser for "purifying" their karma. How SICK!

So yeah, I think that the way that the rhetoric of "unconditional love" get's played out in the world is highly problematic.

I struggle with this also

We do live in the tower of babble, where the same words hold different meanings to most everyone. I guess we each have to decide what love is first and it has so many meanings and nuances and paradoxes. Perhaps the term unconditional love does not refer to anything emotional or romantic, perhaps it's not something you feel, perhaps it's not putting others above yourself at all.

Maybe love is the wrong word but there is some state of mind where we can somehow see all that exists as equal and one with everything else, including ourselves. In that state of mind, if a woman is being abused, she can take the measures she needs to safely leave her abuser without the guilt, shame or the need to protect his feelings.

She can forgive him which means not hold resentment or hatred in her own heart, but that does not mean continue to allow him or anyone to make her 'less than' because she knows that she is equal in worth or value as an expression of life, and of the same source and material as her abuser and as anyone and everything. She can stand tall within herself. I suppose she can honor the life within the abuser because it's life, but she never has to love his actions or his personality, his ego or him for that matter.

It's more of an understanding that he is unbalanced, and yet he is an expression of life, albeit through a very warped and tormenting filter, yet carrying a spark of life perhaps from the same source as all life? That's speculation of course, but anyhow. This is where unconditional love looks more like compassion but compassion does not mean allowing yourself to be victimized. It is just recognizing the human condition and understanding the pain. We do not have to share the pain, we do not have to resonate with it, we do not have to go toward it, we do not have to be at the other end of it or even put up with it. We can just observe it and recognize it for what it is and then move on away from it (as fast as we can if there is nothing we can do to help or if we are in danger.)

It can be empowering to love unconditionally because it also means to love oneself enough and to forgive others yet not continue to be their victim. We can take actions to put ourselves in a better place without the emotional sting of fear, resentment or hatred. We can love ourselves enough to recognize that in general in terms of our value, we are never less than, yet neither are we superior, we just are...we just exist. Value and worth are ideas. If we stop thinking so much, we might begin to feel our own existence as just being, neither good nor bad, and certainly not deserving of abuse from anyone or anything.

Anyhow, that's what I've been considering about this subject lately.

Find you soul...it's the one thing only you can do.

love the different aspects in these answers

Salma -I simply love how you, me and Female Warrior answered V:s question - it is very interesting, and the different aspects we bring up all paint well formulated images of this issue. This is so great when discussing something that is so difficult to communicate like this question. "We live in the Tower of babble" - great expression - I can see that we definitely resonate on quite a few issues =)

"In that state of mind, if a woman is being abused, she can take the measures she needs to safely leave her abuser without the guilt, shame or the need to protect his feelings."

This is such an important thing that you point out here - the illusion of shame and guilt. Many of us are strongly programmed to feel that we have to feel badly when we make mistakes. Mistake is a great word btw - mis-take, we miss to take something = we miss to receive something because we are not open - to me, meaning, not vibrating True Love, for whatever reason.

Thus we are "stuck" - not flowing - captured in the thought-process around the event, and often we come to believe that we have to punish ourselves to "learn something" to get loose from this thought-structure we built up.

There is nothing wrong with thinking, but like you point out, we do it too much and ought to, like you say - relax, just be and realise we make mistakes, and this is ok. We are in a process, we are developing. We are always forgiven because there is nothing to forgive. There is just a response-ability to evolve in a manner which we feel is fit.

Through breathing we can let ourselves transform - and when one does this properly the problem/dysfunction in our behaviour patterns/that which made us act stupidly is gone, its over and we can keep on breathing, thinking and making mistakes and "takes" - being.

There is no punishment, just reactions to other reactions.

Brilliant Blog Thank you

I have said that when we buy into any belief system or superstition, the currency we use is our own surrender of self contained power, i also find freedom in staying as open as possible, consciousness of what could possibly exist on unseen levels of multidimension is important and not to be afraid is key, it is a cosmic dance everyday to do so!!!

I just finished writing a comment on how we deal with polarities (which really fits much into the same theme as how what you are discussing here on unconditional love and archons or dark entities), here on I0880Is very interesting blog on "Is Perception Polarised?" :

http://www.evolver.net/user/i0880i/blog/perception_polarized#comment-639...

There is so much that is challenging us on this path daily. I really enjoyed reading your blog, it is one of the best i've read on here in a while, thanks so much for sharing . =)

http://sailingbeyondknowledge.podOmatic.com

Unfolding an ever evolving humanity -
"we are the last voices to protect nature"

thank you very much!

Thank you so much for your lovely response- "brilliant" is a very special feedback to get - warms the heart!

I very much liked the comment you made in the other evolver-blog - I especially resonate with this thought:

"There are a myriad of infinite differences reflected in human perceptions and experiences of life, each its own little universe representative of the larger macrocosm. .......it is our ego desire to define our individuality by pointing fingers at others for not sharing the same school of thought or human experience, language or spirituality..."

Wonderfully formulated! Besides from that - you also have a brilliant blog here, and the Podcast looks fantastic...

http://florries.wordpress.com/
you are unique - all you do is ground-breaking

The nature of the Archons

I recall a story of a contemporary Zen master. Basically, the master stays at one of his students house, during the night, the student and his wife hear the master chanting and yelling. The next morning they ask him what the hell he was doing, and he replies that he was exorcising a demon. The master is Seung Sahn, who used the term "Don't know mind" fairly often. The students wife says to Seung Sahn, "but everything is only in your mind", implying that there would be no need to excercise a demon because of that fact, and in response Seung Sahn says. "Ah yes, but what is this mind?"

I think you actually know more than you realize Susan

great story!

What a great story - thank you so much for posting it - its a very intelligent example and it made me laugh to the bottom of my being, I think I even heard the laughter echoing =)

"I think you actually know more than you realize Susan" - for sure, I don't think "I" would ever be able to realise all that I know - therefore I know that I know nothing.

"I don't think "I" would

"I don't think "I" would ever be able to realise all that I know" - I feel the same. I'm glad you liked the story

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