So why don't we all just make the move?
posted by Giacomo | August 20, 2010
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IcerocketI'm throwing that question out there not just rhetorically, as I'm sure there are a few logistics that can answer at least one side of it that are currently outside my consideration. But really: why don't we all just say together with some real conviction finally, "Screw this. We're all just going to go do something else for awhile. See if it works better."
The ancient Ninja of Japan share a very similar disposition to us modern Evolvers. They were far from just being the black-clad assassins romanticized by Hollywood movies. They were simply a people who, during their times, were fed up with their society's warring, oppression, taxations, creative suppression, disconnection, and disillusionment that they all gathered together and headed for the mountains. They didn't need the Internet, they didn't need mass marketing to spread the idea. It was all just word of mouth. More than that, it was all just instinct, like how birds know when it's time to migrate. There in the mountains of Japan, they committed themselves to a lifestyle based completely on their dreams: they ate holistically, centered their experience around spirit rather than commerce, raised their children to playfully and patiently discover and develop their life's purpose, supported each other in being the very best they could be, and basically did everything that we today dream of doing as a community. They lived this way for hundreds of years. And from that, it just so naturally happens that when the Japanese government came knocking on their door with armies, vastly outnumbering the Ninja, they still could not stop the Ninja, because their connection to Nature and their physical bodies as well as to the intricacies of the human psyche gave them a significant fighting edge.
So I'm wondering what's keeping us today from carrying out our responsibility as a community. It's like, with all these lovely blogs we're writing here, we're all talking to each other about how great it is on the other side of the river, how much better the weather is, how much prettier it is, how much less hostile the locals are, but we don't want to actually just pick up our things and make the move. No matter how easy it could actually be to. No matter how much we just cannot go on like this anymore.
We don't have to be here! We don't have to put up with this! We don't need Colgate to keep our teeth and iPods to keep our solace. And we don't need to take everyone with us (obvious enough by now that's not gonna happen). I know you've all already been thinking this same thing. So what the fuck are we still doing here??? Really, I'm not trying to be the guy standing on the tree stump yelling at everybody. I think we can move beyond the need for leaders now. I'm actually asking for some decent answers.
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Giacomo, I love you for this
— Aug 20, 2010
Giacomo, I love you for this blog post!!
You know, I've done what you are sugesting, gatter a few friends and off we went, to the middle of the mountains to start a self-sufficient comunity! Wow, my dream had came true, I felt then, it was my mission, to set an example of living a different life from the one society offers us. It was great, beautiful, but sadly it didn't last.
Here are some of my thoughts on why it didn't last, it can be usefull for the next one we are going to start ;)!
a) We are not there, YET! As hard as it may be to realise this, humans and human relationships are the biggest challanges. As much as we have pretty ideas, the pratice of them is still not in the bodies, meanning that even the most evolved of us still have a hard time living, in their personnal lives, what they speak off. It takes time for the incorporation of the new into the hole complexity of our biology. No one is to blame really, it's part of the process. I believe it's achivable, but it's still a baby.
b) personnal space and time. We are all unique. Intentional communities need to be organized in a way that is flexible e non linear to acommodate that fact. So, if we share too much of our lives with a group we eventually get a bit "lost" from our uniqueness and feel, with time, our needs are not being respected. So, our space and time need to be incorporated into group dinamics. Wow, that's a hard one! I believe the first step for all begginer on group live is to first be alone! very alone... in order to establish one's uniqueness. Once you are confident of what and how you are, what you need, etc, it becames less complicaded when in a group.
c) isolation - after a year of it, it became evident to me that it made absolutly no sense to be cut off "the real world", feels a bit silly even. So, are we going to capture the light just for us, and leave the rest of the world to be in the dark? Does it feel reasonable to you, to let the world around you sink? No!!! So a balance needs to be reached, light must be shared with the rest!
So my idea of a community of light beings have changed quitte a bit. Right now I have not a good solution to that, must admit have been a bit confused and looking for my mission the past months. On standby, waiting for things to make sense again...
PS- Sorry about gramatical and spelling errors, english is not my native language!
We still lack...
— Aug 20, 2010
The right of self-determination of peoples has existed since man has existed. The right is based solely on one principle: sovereign thought in stewardship. It has been put many ways, such as taking dominion, exercising control, or what have you, but we prefer to believe in that it is the just stewardship of the Earth, for which we would exercise self-determination.
Some may deem that atrocities or violations of International Public Order were created by certain men in there exercise of the right of self-determination. Some may already know that certain men claiming sovereignty and just stewardship have created certain doctrines, like the Doctrine of Discovery and the Doctrine of Heathenism, to justify usurpations and the like. However, this is not unique to any culture, religion, or group of men. The evidence is extant throughout history that All cultures and determinations have done such at one time or another. But, this is not us. We are committed to never repeat the mistakes of the past, and therefore, it is incumbent upon us to know that the past is relevant to the consideration and/or reconsideration of who is fit, competent, and honorable to rule and/or self-govern and/or exercise just stewardship among the powers of the earth. The numbers of those that lack the honor, lack the competency, lack the humility to learn and grow, lack the skill, lack the diplomacy, and lack the administrative (among many other things that could be listed) is enormous. However, they must indeed be perfect for their condition, or they would not be in said condition and the condition would not exist.
The exercise of the right of self-determination is a serious matter and must be done within the parameters of what is called the International Public Order, which has been set down historically by the other sovereignties of the world to create order, peace, and harmony. We are not here to create disorder or chaos, in the world. There is plenty of disorder going on among All Walks of Life due to a global lack of competence, lack of ability, lack of education, and lack of honor to live in peace and harmony with one another. The simplest of contractual-agreements are being broken daily, and creating mass chaos.
Purpose and Goals Relating to a Nations (or peoples) Self-Determination
To exercise of just stewardship over the territories under documented and exemplified claim, as acknowledged by sovereignties or particular sovereignties within the Family of Nations.
To establish the necessary institutions, departments, agencies, offices, and appointments to the further the just stewardship and proper administration over said claims and resources thereupon.
To promote the general well-being, as well as the cultural, scientific, technological, and societal advancement equally of All Walks of Life found therein or adopted thereby, and provide all such governance and institutions for said advancement.
To establish the Institutions for the Education necessary to teach the just stewardship, particularly all areas of law, contract, and administration, as well as the sciences, technology, business, finance, cultural and societal methodologies for the cultivation and advancement of knowledge, wisdom, diplomacy, competence, ability, and honor equally among All Walks of Life found therein or adopted thereby.
Even enlightened souls don't or haven't yet understood this. They're just the most likely too come to this understanding to be able to apply the heuristic principles which will truly set them free and show the rest what's possible.
From my own observation there is still a detachment from what is abundant behavior and what is scarce behavior. Scarcity is the concept which has folks withdrawing from society, hording their resources, money, and love. Money is where we develop this concept of scarcity because money is in limited supply, sort of... Prior to 1933 when money was of substance so hording increases value due to rarity. However, the down side to that is it doesn't move. It's energy which is stagnant. So after 1933 they took all the gold and silver away from the people and gave them the benefit and privilege of trading worthless paper. Something which has no intrinsic value and by all rights has no reason to horde it for if you do and the currency inflates, the value of what you're holding deflates.
In order for this system to work it requires us to spend because holding that energy withhold resources from those who lack resource. The common emotion and feeling though is to withdraw from the system. People see the money as a or even the problem, but there are no problems only conditions. Conditions which only the individual can alter. They can then train themselves to be comfortable with their own uncomfortableness and convince themselves that running away and withdrawing from society is reasonable. From a universal standpoint this is childishness. Which is what this appears to be all about to me. Growing up.
Abundant behavior consists of solutions and giving. Providing solutions to everyone elses "problems". Ultimately giving of the self unconditionally but due to the lack of honor we have to have conditional acceptance. What do people want? They want money because that's how they access resources. So give it to them...
This is where people who read my stuff usually get steamed about the money but really is this about getting mad and pouting or growing up and solving the problem or puzzle as it were? The puzzle being that there is no money only debt instruments so the concept of money is poisoned ab initio. Debt instruments cannot be used to pay debt off. It can only discharge the debt into the future. Doesn't matter if its a mortgage or student loan, fill up at the fuel station or exchanging currency for a box of girl scout cookies. If you're holding Federal Reserve Notes in your pocket, you're a reserve banker and you are holding debt and if you spend it into the system increasing the Federal debt.
People generally do not want to solve this puzzle. Rather they would prefer to fight and argue over a perceived corruption. But who endorsed the Fed credit with their signature on the back of their paycheck? No one else does this for you. You depose yourself when you deposit with the bank. Which are all fictions, their all dead entities, they don't control the living. The living just happen to be suffering the past or illusion of the future. Many talk about he now, but some still haven't figured out how to apply this to the vices which bind them.
Even in myself this is true. I know I have not yet completed the puzzle. But I have been at this long enough to know where the solutions are not and have a good idea of where the solutions are.
There is no running away, there is no fighting. Harmony does not come by way of resistance. All solutions are administrative and commercial in nature. The Trust we have with the State makes the State the Holder-in-Trust of our foreign situs accounts based on our birth certificates which is the collateral backing the debt. This is the mechanism empowering the State to do everything it does on your behalf, in your absence. War, taxes, citations... Is all done on your behalf and in your absence, even if you're standing right there. One makes themselves present to this by accepting for value their birth certificate and altering the relationship between ones self and the State to Holder-In-Due-Course of the Trust to access the asset side of the account, rather than continue to operate the debtor side of the account and never entering into ad personum jurisdiction under surety-ship...
But of course all this goes over everyones head because not enough of the back story has been filled in. People don't read the black print on white paper of their own history. They would rather feel good and comfortable, and may habituate themselves with other distractions or fiction. And these are the enlightened ones I'm referring to... Some of which because of their spiritual path and gifts of attraction haven't been or had to be uncomfortable enough yet to take responsibility for their economic self-determination and in fact believe they already are even though it's all based on fallacy.
Some are beginning to come out of it though. I'm revisiting a fellow Evolver to discuss what can be done to come out from under the debt side of the ledger and transform her property into a retreat for educating and reconditioning the minds of volunteers who wish to come and learn our specific way of solving problems both spiritual and commercial.
Ultimately, the answer to your question as to why we are still in this condition, is because we want it. "You are your own worst enemy..." If one cannot distinguish this within themselves, then it isn't within them to even conceive. This is just my observation, see this all the time.
"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."
Very right on folks. Very
— Aug 20, 2010
Very right on folks. Very right on. Thanks for the comments. Sky Harmony, whereabouts are you folks living out this way? Did you have to buy land? What are your lodging conditions? Tents, teepees, earthbag homes, lean-to's? Did you have to get a build permit or adhere to any other legal fictions? And how do you folks deal with the necessary need for private space, as suggested by Ana Tara?
I understand many, if not most, ancient cultures that were centered around spirit supported, if not mandated, the need for the personal sabbatical, private times to go out in nature alone in order to initiate your deeper healings and reconnect with your personal purpose. I do agree with you, Ana Tara, that the need to heal yourself is absolutely crucial if we want to go on developing more evolved communities. "You cannot solve a problem with the same level of consciousness that created it." But I, too, also am coming to accept the fact that we can't be alone forever. The silence that we crave ends up coming around far too often. Yet we do still need to stand alone in order to stand united. Hence, there is this necessary balance, the need to live both ways, that far too many of us feel impulsed to pursue for such tendencies to be just foolish capriciousness.
Again, thanks everyone, for being you, and keeping your one ear cocked.
crawling to walking...
— Aug 20, 2010
I have a small RV which will be used in the interim until we learn to construct and get our Yurts up. (google: Yurt images) After that we're moving on to Earthships and other thermal mass construction techniques. As well as fostering an eco-friendly waste disposal system, on-site/off-grid power combining access to water rights with solar and possibly GEET, sequestering and recycling rainwater for waste disposal and hopefully multiple greenhouses. The property already has good mycorrhizal support as well as many good stumps which can be inoculated with oyster mushrooms. I'll need to research further but there may be a special medicinal mushroom also prevalent on the premises. By medicinal I don't mean psychedelic, I mean possibly an Agericon fungi which can reduce prevalence of small pox and may do the same for strains of influenza. If so then the property already has an abundance of life and life giving properties. They just need to be fleshed out.
No man is an island, it takes resources and it takes human resources to build the future. I come upon this present situation with few assets other than what's in my heart and mind. Furthermore the crew which has coalesced around me over the past two years has become a small clan. A brotherhood or band of gypsies really, but what we lack in assets we make up for in knowledge and know-how. The only thing we need is a place for which our 'auras can unpack' if-you-will. Which I intend to make a practice. A practice which can be taught and emulated and even prior to accepting the offer to do this here. I was going to do this somewhere... As timing would have it someone has seen an opportunity to make up for the lack in their own life. To fulfill a lack in others and mine and bare witness to as well as participate in their own aura unpacking fractal experience.
To me, this is the time where one takes all they've learned in solace and put it to practice. On a journey down the spiritual path, this is where the rubber meets the road.
"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."
Thanks for voicing this. It
— Aug 20, 2010
Thanks for voicing this. It feels like a crucial inquiry for me too. What I've been coming back to is actually embedded in the nominal banner of this space: Evolver, significantly of only one 'r'. Negation, blame, dispersal, Revolution are intrinsically closed, finite process. This seems fundamentally to be the time of inclusivity and transformation, if it is to be any remarkable time on earth at all. If we can not move forward, from the center i.e. right where we stand, connected to all of meaning in our life, we will simply detour and return.
I really don't know how to accept and bless all that's in front of me today, to honor my own actions or those of my wider identities. I don't know how to take responsibility for relationships that are much less than the essence of love. But I've heard the same sorts of guidance coming from lots of different directions, including within. There is no 'away'. You can not leave these things and be free. There is so much incongruity, obscurity, futility, detachment that I bump in to daily where I stand and tentatively dance, the will to float off 'home' is chronic. I've also come to recognize how much of that fractious unsettling noise is self-generated and habitual. That is, not reflective of true Self.
Have you witnessed real mastery in being before? Have you seen how fuqn beautiful the grace of flow can be in the midst of harrowing conflict, dubious vortices? The greatest paradox of conviction and surrender. As commented above, if you are the least bit unsure of your place, and not committed to supporting others from there, go alone and as far as you can. I think that if, as you suggest, we 'all go do something else for a while' we would be even further apart than now. You are a product of your heritage. You belong to it, you belong to us. The future belongs to our best collective effort.
By all means, go ahead and visit, that's what we're doing here right now I think. I was just off to a gorgeous weekend festival, and actually, more than festive it made me sad to realize how far there is between 'here' and 'there'...and sobered to see how entirely that journey is within. Symbolically, my Beloved approached me towards the end and asked my name and destination. I invented a story of sabotage and died right there. Now, painfully, again, I'm waking up just to say I Am. This. Always.
I know you know in your deepest what's across the river. Me too. Looking the other way is...disenchanting. It's also the only safe way to get there, the long way, up to the source, and around. Lot of swimmers just wash out to sea I think. But find a good crew maybe too, build a sound craft and ship out. Then come back, with your real story.
I feel you. The urge to run
— Aug 20, 2010
I feel you. The urge to run away is strong. But someone's got to try and change the space where they are, or they may run to a place where the same microcosm repeats itself. The problem is not in my city, it is in my own heart.
Most of us are needed where we are, badly. Like a rapper who dreams of leaving the ghetto, he leaves it behind. Moved out the hood now you tryin to pull me back, right?
Do not leave a place until you've made it better! Forget, repeat. Remember!
“An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come.”-Victor Hugo
Run wherever you would like,
— Aug 20, 2010
Run wherever you would like, but your mind runs with you.
Saying 'fuck it' and moving off somewhere to start a commune isn't a bad idea. It would be fun and it would clear away a lot of distractions.
Then again, it isn't necessary either. I think, rather than say isolating ourselves in small communities is an answer, perhaps it'd be better almost as a retreat. Like if it were normal for people in our culture, after graduating college, to stay in geographically isolated communities on the water, in the mountains, and in the desert or whatever, for like two years. Get in touch, harmonize, and then plug back in, having a better idea of what you're engaging in.
It'd be cool but I doubt it'd have a mass appeal these days.
The idea of a retreat for
— Aug 21, 2010
The idea of a retreat for some people is a great idea, Benjamin. Certainly it wouldn't have mass appeal, but, like I said, we weren't planning on it to. Evolvers don't currently have the resources or the headspace to apply for mass appeal, only for what deeply interests them.
But never doubt that a small group of thoughtful citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. Besides, I wasn't suggesting that we all need to go out in the bush, wear animal skins over our bums, and eat squirrel on a stick.
What I'm interested in here is whatever means necessary to cultivate the perspective needed to create an inner shift as a community, which in turn is where the true power of human race is demonstrated. If that can be done via retreats that we then take back to the hive, then great. I applaud that. But by staying out of the grid indefinitely, we are actually making a very real shift in the astral collective. This, too, has very real practical ramifications for everyone, just not as tangibly so.
If anything, we're not buying oil or Twinkies. That's like voting.
"If anything, we're not
— Aug 22, 2010
"If anything, we're not buying oil or Twinkies. That's like voting."
hahah right on!
Exactly,
— Aug 30, 2010
"We don't have to be here," could be taken literally, as you wanting to run away. I see what you really mean, "we don't have to stay here," in this state of mind anymore. Sometimes it is hard to bring up, or even to have a conversation like this with somebody who has no idea what you are talking about. I am not talking about any evolvers. I am talking about my own father for example. I was thinking to myself maybe if I just bring up these discussions to people more often, than they will get to thinking about it later. Being who he is, my dad could only think about survival of the fittest. I was talking about evolving spiritually. He was talking about everybody killing each other in the end. That the only answer is people dieing, so that there will be enough resources.
My dad seems to think that it doesn't matter what we do now, that the world is over populated, and we will run out of food. Chaos and war will happen, and there will be no running away from anything.
I wasn't talking about the world coming to an end at all. I told him that I believe there is genuinely more good in humans, than there is bad; he didn't agree so much. It turned into a debate, and got off track from the entire purpose of the conversation.
Anyways, we have been here this long, the universe isn't going to give up on us now, and it never will. There is too much fear and doubt traveling along the world throughout everything, in the media, and news. If we all truly believe we were just meant to die, than we will. That's not the case, and there are a lot of people who think like my dad out there. Most of their lives consist of (sleep, eat, work, t.v., sleep, eat, work, t.v., etc.)
If only we could get them to take their minds somewhere they have not visited in a very long time. That we are strong, smart, great, and powerful beings, who can do things you can't begin to imagine right now.
I wish that for just a one day there would be a rule that nobody could watch T.V., that electronic devices used for entertainment would have to be shut off for one day. So that everyone would be forced to remember who they are, and what they really like to do. They would realize that the T.V. doesn't really make them that happy, and it's not all they have. The internet isn't all they have, there lives are more meaningful than that. Than maybe when people got bored, instead of watching T.V. they would go out and help somebody, or plant a tree? Who knows?? (The retreat idea is a good idea.)
I think the more we talk about this sort of thing, the more people will start to think. I also believe that we should not only talk about these kinds of things on this website, because that is limiting the people. We should talk about it anywhere and everywhere. Even if you think the people on facebook won't listen to you, or agree with you, who cares?
This is something I often
— Aug 20, 2010
This is something I often think about. On the way to one of my jobs I have a spot I stop along the river and watch this big group of turtles. They are all different sizes and ages and they just hang out all day in the sun on this log in the river, and then go back in the water and rocks at shore at night. That life sounds so appealing. Just to go to some beach somewhere and live in a cave with fresh water near by and fruit trees. But then I recognize it as the fantasy it is. It just isn't realistic in this day and age.
Lets say that you do this, you leave and just go live on a beach providing everything you need. What happens when there is a massive oil spill that destroys the ecosystem of your beach, what do you do then? Okay so lets say you live in a lush forest near a river and you provide for yourself everything you need there. What happens when 100 miles away some company damns up your river and starts harnessing and selling the water. Which completely destroys that ecosystem. Lets say you move somewhere that and set up a community and build your own ecosystem, that recycles water, grows all it's own food, and you've built your own shelter. You can withstand the snow storms, or tornado's, hurricane's, earthquakes, or whatever act of nature you might encounter. Then some company buys up the 1000 miles of land you are on for the water underground, or oil underground, or maybe for something eco-friendly like thousands of windmills, what do you do then?
There are too many things that are volatile and wrong with the way that we are running society today. Not that I think we are screwed, I actually think everything is going to work out, but not because everyone just goes back to nature and the hills. Where I think that everything is going to work out is with a step by step slowly instituted design revolution. We can help this process by eliminating our involvement with systems we don't agree with. I ride my bike everywhere refuse to own a car. I won't eat meat, because raising live stock pollutes the planet more than anything else. I steer clear of single serving containers to produce less trash. I buy everything I can from farmers markets and other local businesses. I don't have a bank account. I haven't paid taxes in 7 years. And one of the most important things I do is I try to spread these ideas to as many people as I can. If I can talk one person into riding their bikes and becoming a vegetarian, and they can talk one person into it, and they can talk one person into it, we are inching closer and closer to the design revolution and new paradigm. We have all the power. Corporations don't care about ethics or what they are selling whatsoever. What they do care about is profit, so we have to convince enough people and change our own mindsets enough to the point where the profit is in sustainable technologies, then ::poof:: new paradigm, instituted by the "evil" corporations.
I also didn't even talk about my own personal most practical reason for why dropping out isn't realistic. I'm having a baby in October. And my fiance has a four year old daughter with her ex. So how do I convince my finace, my new born baby, my step daughter's real father (because he still is in her life) and my four year old step daughter to bounce out with me and start a commune? And at this commune we don't have money to go out there stalked with food before our crops start yielding, so it will have to be in an ecosystem from which we can immediately provide. Which also means that our future depends on their not being a oil spill, damn, buy out, or random other thing happening, which would displace us, or just plain kill us. Does that sound like a realistic option? Or does it sound better to work within the framework of society towards a design revolution and new paradigm? I'm going with working towards new paradigm. For now I'll stick with watching my turtles and thinking about living in a river on a log day in and day out with everything I need. However in the back of my mind I still know how fragile the turtles lives on the edge of a river in the middle of a city are.
As always, just offering my perspective, which is purely that, my perspective.
-Invisible Agent
"No one really knows exactly what happens when we think, therefor we can never really ever know anything." -Michael Larson
I've been wondering about this too
— Aug 20, 2010
About 150 years ago in America, there was an explosion of community building. A man would clear some acres, build a farm, and start farming. A blacksmith would set up shop and shoe his horses. Another man would open up a dry goods store with his wife. A pastor would show up and they would help him build a church. More families would move in and then they would build a school. Soon, there was a bona fide town and then it was named after the original farmer who settled there and grew his crops.
Why is this so hard for us to do now?
Good question. Less
— Aug 20, 2010
Good question. Less bureaucracy then, for one thing. Your build permit was something closer to spitting on the ground and calling it yours.
But it may well have also had significant astral influences, if that's more what you're asking. It was a time when Western expansion was more the norm. I think we still have that drive, that ambition, but not collectively on any one specific thing. Also, MSG and cell phones and fluoride and TV I'd say. Phenomenal what that stuff has done for the fall of man.
Just my $.02
I'd love to go all kinds of
— Aug 20, 2010
I'd love to go all kinds of places! The Humboldt area in California is gorgeous and plentiful. Oregon and Washington, too. Lots of free spaces there. All over. Anywhere but the desert. Works for Burning Man, but Burners tend to be bat shit crazy anyway.
yeah, ... I would love to
— Aug 30, 2010
yeah, ... I would love to go with you tooooo, and "tag along."
where ever you go, there you are,. .
— Aug 20, 2010
I have been thinking along similar lines,. you know the issues,. how will we get money to buy food, fuel, land, deal with building codes, laws, etc.
This is that sht! http://simondale.net/house/essay.htm
Under the knowlage that other people have what I need ($$$, land, tools, etc.) and lack what I have; years of research, mad skills, other tools, etc. I started a blog to document my progress;
http://balancevillage.wordpress.com/
I am looking for others to join my little cause, and help find, generate, or will into existance the required resources to get it under way.
I do not think working to get yourself into an ecoVillage is "running away",. for me it is liveing the exemplar life, forging the path. Sure not for everyone, I know people who are avowedly city dwellers,. I try to get them to read Jensen [ http://www.derrickjensen.org/ ]. And encurage urban greening, . I am from Windsor Ontario, so Detroit was a part of my youth,. the bars and clubs mostly, at that time,. but now I see what was a long decayed decrepit city starting to be re-taken by permaculturalists, and an urban gardening movement,. sweet! Who knows perhaps some cities can be made more sustainable and perhaps liveable for sain people. Toxic mitigation will be a major undertaking..,
Anyway,. we all have our focus, and we all need to follow our desire to reform what we have into what we want. Create the living conditions we want to live in. DO IT NOW!
peace
"Anyway,. we all have our
— Aug 20, 2010
"Anyway,. we all have our focus, and we all need to follow our desire to reform what we have into what we want. Create the living conditions we want to live in. DO IT NOW!"
Thank you for simplifying things.
Great insights folks.
— Aug 20, 2010
Great insights folks. thanks to you all. I don't necessarily disagree with what you were saying even though I may have presented it to seem as such. but maybe the reason why things aren't blossoming as quickly as we'd like to see them is just because we Evolvers can't agree on any direction to take! haha.
I, for one, know that if I were a totalitarian asshole dictator, I wouldn't so much care what the people believed in, just so long as they did all believe in something, and strongly, so that none of them would be willing to work with each other on a change orchestrated by the people.
I'm cool with making change within the system. I think most of us have already been doing that, hence our being here, on the commercially-sustained Internet, talking about Evolving. But I just think it'd be fun to try out a different approach, too. Like a science experiment, let's say, or an art project. In this case, the art is our life as a whole, naturally. Besides, fun is one of the most important things we need right now, forgetting that, woops, we're taking life too seriously again.
Good attitude and
— Aug 21, 2010
Good attitude and intentions, and you bring up maybe the 'real' question now of what's the galvanizing vision that enough of 'us' can lend ourselves to for lasting effect? Can you really imagine an alternative scenario that's not dependent on the subjugation of the status quo? What level of technology and commerce do you wish to sustain? I feel like yes, to a degree we are suppressing other solutions and innate abilities by comfortably utilizing all the amenities and wonders of civ, but it's difficult for me to say that this is a dead-end and not just a stage of coarse refinement. Look to the long view as much as you can, and meanwhile let's maintain as best we can some very detached and radical outposts for perspective, experimentation and safekeeping...who knows. Maybe we do need more volunteers for that. I think it's more a matter of preserving indigenous ways where they exist. The 'neo-tribal revival' seems fairly parasitical and indulgent to me, as generally exhibited. I don't know of any genuinely sustainable modern communities, and I've done some looking/building. Actually Twelve Tribes (http://www.twelvetribes.com/whoweare/our-culture.html) may be close, but...that's another level of investment.
It sounds like a lovely
— Aug 22, 2010
It sounds like a lovely idea, but there's lots more too it. For me it's like someone else said above about leaving everyone else behind and letting the world burn. I'd rather do something which, in the long term, will bring about the type of community we'd all like to see.
I think this needs to be done from inside the current system, the more we write, research , spread the word and generally positively reinforce our message against our current western set of affairs. We just need to do what the other side are doing to us, and the righteous side, when big enough will be easily seen and chosen. It's a very slow process that we should take upon ourselves to be part of in whatever way possible.
This whole thing reminds me of something I was thinking about a while ago. About how monks in monasteries hide away to find enlightenment. I think a truer enlightenment would be to face the terrors of the real world head on, experience every side, this helps find a right way to go about life, to enforce a faster approach to more fulfilling futures for the next generations.
Sorry if I kinda hi-jacked this, first post :) Cheers for the read.
