Plant Spirits and the Western Mind

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The western mind is ill equipped to deal with plant spirits. We are stuck on the importance of human beings... to human beings. It is true that the Natural world is trying to help human beings get better, but it isn't because we are so advanced. It is because we are so retarded, that we need help. Mother Nature is being very patient with us.

What does it look like from the plant teacher's point of view? You think the plant spirit is concerned about yours or my personal growth? Do you think the ayahuasca plant spirit is trying to help you achieve nirvana, or bliss, or introduce you to god? Does the plant spirit give a shit whether you purge your personal demons or not? Not likely.

There are only a few plants that communicate directly with the conscious mind, but ALL plants are talking to the subconscious, through their scent, color, shape, food and medicinal value. Every plant spirit has a purpose, an intent, a reason for interacting with you. It involves an exchange of nutrients and waste that maintains a balance in the ecosystem, as well as an exchange of pollination, cultivation duties and stuff like that. Symbiosis makes the ecosystem go round.

The constant flow of energy from the environment through the individuals in it, provides the communications that maintain balance throughout the system. Your body is in constant communication with the "spirits" of the food you eat.

OK, if your are having trouble with this view, try treating this like a fiction, where you take on this view just for the sake of the story. The hero believes in plant spirits. Or check this out:
http://lifeos.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/food-as-information/

The plants that get in your head are doing the same thing. They are attempting to communicate with you for their own specific needs. They want to make a deal with you for your help. They are asking to form a symbiotic relationship with you.

Take the grape, man and winemaking fungus, symbiotic relationship, as an example. The fungus makes the wine that entices the man to grow grapes and provide a controlled environment, in which the fungus can thrive. In an intelligent universe, it is the fungus calling the shots.

Or take the partnership between cattle, man and stropharia cubensis, (aka magic mushrooms), which has resulted in their world wide distribution. The fact that civilization, cattle and mushrooms have shared in this successful growth pattern cannot be denied, whether one sees the fungus or man as the motivator.

This is also part of the reason western minds are not open to plant spirits at all. They want all the credit for "domestication". Plant spirits can be hard taskmasters, termed jealous by many a shaman, and don't want their symbiotic partners being corrupted by other spirits. Humans are easily fooled.

Ayahuasca is a different kind of plant spirit from the two above. It is not so much a specific plant, but more the spirit of the forest. Whereas the winemakers and shrooms are trying to fill their specific needs, ayahuasca is trying to integrate you into the forest. Look at the cultures that have lived with the plant spirits the longest. How do they behave, like guardians of the forest. That is their role.

So, the world traveler, who has no relationship with the forest, or any of its creatures, who gets all his food from non-forest sources, who has never even taken a crap in the forest, who is a total stranger to plants in general, not really believing in plant spirits at all, comes to a shaman for enlightenment. It is all about what that person can gain for themselves. The real transformation is about getting past the culture shackled ego and becoming part of the natural system that supports us

Most go away with no clue as to what has happened to them. In most cases, no real communication has taken place; no deal has been made. The ones that get it, become part of the forest in one way or another.

Hope this helps somebody... sorry for those it makes uncomfortable.

cheers,
jim

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The wind

I play around with the idea that when the trees want to play, the wind blows. Or to put that in laymen's terms; the trees make the wind blow.

Same idea?

"Life's a garden, dig it"

The Wind

Sorry to be so slow... i thought i was going to get an email alert, thought nobody commented.

Right on! The whole works is alive. It took my western mind a long time to wrap around that one, although i have always believed that nature is intelligence in action. The difference was to FEEL(dig) it.

cheers,
jim

And so it was revealed to

And so it was revealed to me, that god is not a male person at all, verily she is not even a grownup. The goddess of goddesses is a little girl, so small indeed, she does not grow a single hair between her holy and virginal legs...

The revelation above I got while eating magic mushrooms!

Plant to human communications:

Thank you for posting this article. I absolutely agree with your statement that we humans "are stuck on the importance of human beings... to human beings" for communication and knowledge.
There's entire universes of information that we have shut ourselves off from just because we see ourselves as a separate and the only sentient intelligence on our planet.
I think another way of looking at this problem is that there is a problem of communication between plant spirits and the "human" mind. Although agreeably the western mind is the thickest brick in the wall. One of the main problems I see is that humans respond and think of everything around them in terms of human consciousness and human concepts of communication. Most cannot allow their minds to think in terms outside of the "normal" human concepts of thought and communication. For example say I thought Japanese people were not intelligent or conscious because I didn't understand Japanese language and they made sounds I didn't understand so they obviously cant speak.
Well that's just an obvious example of how much we would have lost if humans had isolated themselves from the other humans and cultures of the world. We had to learn other languages before knowledge could be shared world wide and human understanding has risen greatly because of this cross cultural communication. Well, the communication gap between species is still unthinkably vast because most humans only think in "human terms" of communication and consciousness. If we're waiting for a tree to speak to us using a human form of communication we will be waiting for a very long time.

This is a point I'm always trying to make is that the plant and animal teachers are continually attempting to communicate with us in terms that we can understand. Although it's difficult for most to notice because they speak in non-linguistic thought forms. Most humans can't even think to themselves in a non-linguist thought form. Conscious human thought is almost nothing but linguistic and to think in a purely visual modality is next to impossible for many humans. Fact is there are many other ways to think like visually, energetically, emotionally and even in more subtle forms than those that we don't even have words for in any human language to describe.

Communication with the multitudes of life forms throughout the universe will be possible when we learn to think outside of the human consciousness construct. We will then be able to open ourselves up to the vast unified field consciousness of a pandimensional universe.

Hopefully humans someday will not only be thinking in terms of a "human level consciousness construct" we will also be able to think, as we say, "way outside of the box".

I recently posted a podcast were I'm talking specifically about this very topic. The podcast is called The Chronicles of the Psychonautilus. http://the-psychonautilus.podomatic.com/

Actually it's the last of The Chronicles of the Psychonautilus series that I'll be doing as I've started another podcast called The Portal.

One point I will add though is that I think that the plant and animal spirits do care about our eventual awakening and well being. Maybe it's just because we are making such a terrible mess of things on this planet. But in my experience I have noticed a very patient and benevolent interaction that speaks to me of a very caring relationship as opposed to a non-caring or dissociative relationship. They feel their connection to us even if we don't. Also I feel that human egoistic emotions like jealousy really don't apply and even though it has been spoken of that way by some shamanic practitioners I've never experienced true plant consciousness to behave or communicate that way. I feel it's our habitual anthropomorphic tendencies that we continually attempt to translate things into human thought forms, which is the whole problem really.

I'm looking forward to reading the article on "food as information" thanks for posting this.

Adam

...thickest brick in the wall

I like that one. =-)

Yeah, we tend to impose our human values on everything. That's not bad... that's our job, in a way. The plant spirits have been our guides all along. They certainly care about their students, but they have their jobs to do as well. They don't care about our internal goals of personal growth or meeting our demons. They care about how we relate to them, and web of life, day to day. Our behavior is their concern.

I mean to point out that there is a difference between the guidance provided by different plant spirits. Not all of them are interested in our well being, as they each have their own agenda, which includes how they expect their symbiotic partners to behave. Without getting into the details, let me say that some of the most despicable behavior exhibited by human beings can be traced to influences from "plant spirits".

Our western mind is in a perpetual state of denial. The more deeply one explores plant spirits and their messages, the more complicated the story gets.

Looking forward to your podcast.

cheers,
jim

well done, JIm, i would tend to agree with Adam so far...

3~' Shanti
Thanks for listening to the "Plant Spirit Awakening" podcast, JIm, and for telling me about this piece. I've been working with this Peruvian shaman, Don Diego, who you probably heard spoken about on the podcast. Well, at least according to him, Ayahuasca is wanting to make its presence known in a big way right now, and that does seem to be happening. It seems we are being prepared for some global shift or shifts which are on the not-too-distant horizon, whether 2012 or whatever, and Ayahuasca appears to be playing its part in this. Whether the plant itself or some "higher" force is directing this phenomenon might be an open question, but Don Diego seems to suggest that it's Ayahuasca itself, or the Spirit of Ayahuasca, which is wanting "to be everywhere" as Benjamin notes in my interview with him. Now we could ask whether maybe it's Don Diego who wants to be everywhere because, let's not mince words, this Ayahuasca shamanism stuff is big business, but at this point I'm not going to make a judgment on that. I'm going to do a ceremony this weekend. Check in with me after that and see what I say : )

Thanks again for posting this, and I just posted it to the Plant Spirit Awakening page on Facebook, here's the link:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Plant-Spirit-Awakening/341086963501?ref=ts

Peace, Alan

Thanks, Alan.

I think you are right, that ayahuasca is actively courting us. And i believe that this plant spirit is more general in nature and not the spirit of a single species, like 'shrooms. I think that the whole system is very smart. It knows what it is doing.

In my humble opinion, the guidance system for western civilization has been the amanita muscaria(god of war), stropharia cubensis(prince of peace), ergot(king of commerce) and the molds that make our alcohol(dullards delight). These plant spirits have worked together to lead us on this merry chase, for a reason. Now some of us are being called back to the fold, back to being part of the web of life.

Thanks again for you comments. Looking forward to more discussion, podcasts, etc.

cheers,
jim

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