Earth consciousness uses us "druggies" as foot soldiers
posted by Izseven | June 3, 2011
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IcerocketI think that the planet consciousness/mass consc uses certain shamanic plants as like a phone ,or like an advanced pheromone , and certain people are good receivers for the messages , when they get high they get the right visions and their experiences shape their goals in life in a way that are in line with nature etc ... so in order for the planet to get these people to pick up more often , it makes them have certain problems (like anxiety, and a tendancy towards drug addiction) so that they resort to finding and using the plants eventually
I know I have'nt elaborated much and have totally put this in layman terms , but if you are interested let me know and will elaborate or defend etc
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A voluntary collaborative
— Jun 04, 2011
A voluntary collaborative project
in which no one gets paid
in intangibles like money
Decrim Reason
It's not like the docs 'n' pharms
who decree symptoms
like daily newspaper horoscopes
to insist you NEED --
more than food or friends or life itself
(look at the fine print where death is
a minor possible side effect) --
their potions, pills, remedies
that only promise relief
while unleashing vast armies
intent on destroying
in unanticipated sorties.
No, not like legal dependence,
when all the right people
with license, degrees that buy
belief -- but of course, your say is paramount;
how could I ever doubt.
You've assured me that my mind lies --
undermining natural order defense and supply.
Reason demands responsible choice,
to not let the preachers drown out your own voice.
Reason demands self-education, alert valuation,
an end to the crying shame.
Earth consciousness uses us "druggies" as foot soldiers .
— Jun 05, 2011
Or maybe someone else has made you their slave.
I hear you
— Jun 05, 2011
Yeah, I think you're on to something. I'd tend to look at it slightly differently – I think it sort of like our subconscious telling us what we need to heal ourselves when it is allowed to speak (ie when we ingest a substance that allows our subconscious to have greater conscious expression)
I think the anxiety comes in when we refuse or are unable to act on these messages and feel frustrated living a life that is at odds with these new perspectives.
I know for a fact when i
— Jun 05, 2011
I know for a fact when i smoke weed it increases my abilty to download new info from the universe but then does it not also leave us open to negative elements aswell...buyt then thats a dualitstic way of thinking i suppose there is no negativity as there is no wrong way to god
Different Perspective
— Jun 06, 2011
Of course another way of looking at it is that the partaking of a Shamanic Plant substance will likely produce the optimum result when one is free from the need to heal or fix other types of psycho-socio problems ... actually much of the unnecessary "freaking out" that occurs during many a modern experience ... all kinds of erratic and inconsequential behavior is due to having to have such experiences in a socially ill-conceived environment.
It is rather common, in spite of the Entheogens ability to transcend such influences, that so much of the trip becomes nothing more than "dealing with" or "going through" the chaotic mind set.
Some might even argue that to take such things with only the relative intent of escaping the influences around them, that it is this very mentality that leads to misrepresentations of the full capacity of these substances ... their existential "Holistic" sacredness ... just more "mind candy" {recreational} ... or just something to blow off steam.
A lot of societies views of not taking Entheogens seriously comes from the behavior and mentality of recreational psycho-naughts in relation to their social reactionism in relation to such an experience.
Freaking for freakings sake ... just because society sucks ... or actually realizing the deepest cosmic truths only in relation to their more organic solutions. Is "tripping" merely "trippy" ... or is it a true journey of the soul
If one partakes in such profound experiences only as a reaction to collective karma, just something cool to do on the weekends ... to escape the boredom ... never really getting beyond the "wow man" ... then how is this helping the overall potential for transformation.
"Wonder is what Mystery would do if it was conscious" ...
"Wandering is for every other possibility"
Pippalayana Muni
say something good or..
— Jun 06, 2011
this is to LIBRA MOON and HARBINGER mostly , Please post something constructive or at least related, I know you can argue the relevance very well in your defense , but I'm talking a more specific and immediate relevance here , we do not want this site to be another dump of unmonitored comments and ads eventually!
MISTERMAN - i agree about your sub consc point , because i also think our sub consciousness is more closely connected to earth consciousness and mass consciousness , and it is probably an middle point in the communication series if you can picture that.
WILL PEACE- I dont know , everyone is different of course , but for some reason when i smoke WEED i am all about immediate gratification , which is actually more on the egotistical side of the equation no? I think more people need to analyze weed and what it does for them , just because many counter-culturalists work well with weed doesnt mean you will!
PIPPALAYANA - firstly , you have a wise style my friend , and of course its about set and setting , and second it seems reasonable that you must deal with your demons first before going up "Maslow's" hierarchy or the traditional Chakra hieherarchy (not that i believe them 100%)
and about the whole psychonauts taking it recreationally maybe be the entheo's way of easing people into it right?
About this
— Jun 07, 2011
this is to LIBRA MOON and HARBINGER mostly , Please post something constructive or at least related
"A man who gathers plants must apologize every time for taking them and must assure them that someday his own body will serve as food for them. So, all in all, the plants and ourselves are even. Neither we nor they are more or less important. From now on talk to the little plants, talk until you lose all sense of importance. Talk to them until you can do it in front of others. You must talk to them in a loud and clear voice if you want them to answer you.
The world around us is a mystery, and men are no better than anything else. If a little plant is generous with us we must thank her, or perhaps she will not let us go."
by Don Juan Matus
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(edited) Plants contain a spirit, if that spirit does not like you it may not let you go or may cause you serious warm. A few planets that may not let you go are hops (distilled), rice (distilled), wheat (distilled), coca, tobacco and the opium poppy among many others. This also applies to planets that are none addictive as well. The positive message here is, I know this because I have lived it and have sent you a message. The use of Power plants is not something that should be done lightly. As always, you may do as you wish.
False enlightenment
http://www.evolver.net/user/rickhur/blog/marijuana_and_false_enlightenme...
He meant this, by-the-way .......
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"You must talk to them in a loud and clear voice if you want them to "answer" you."
by Don Juan Matus
I think you have a great
— Jun 06, 2011
I think you have a great point about certain people kind of bringing new things into the world because they had vision of it and it made total sense. my opinion is that people should concentrate more on actual experience and less on their BS about it.
Yuuhh
— Jun 06, 2011
Psychonauts taking psychedelics for recreation seems more like a status thing within our subcultures. The young rave crowd. I'm in that boat I suppose, but I'm not really looking for social acceptance through my use of certain molecules. A hammer is a hammer, but it's only going to hit the nail if it's used properly. So perhaps it is the entheo's way of easing people into it. However, their intention may not be so pure, or inviting. I suppose that's how I first took LSD as well, I didn't know the effects obviously, but I sure as hell wasn't going to be left out that night. Then I seemed to tell myself that the very purpose I took it in the first place was probably not a very authentic purpose, but it grew into one greater, for sure, and continues to grow. Inevitably.
McKenna mentioned that magic mushrooms and such are an alien intelligence that traveled as spores on comets and meteors and such, until it could reach an animal consciousness taking part in the evolutionary process as well. If that's so, I'd assume the knowledge to be absorbed from those plants are absolutely, and literally, Out Of This World. We ingest an alien. We are what we eat, literally, it becomes us. These plants have been here long before we have, their roots extend far beyond our solar system maybe even our galaxy.
But I'm shying away, back to your post, Yes these things talk to us. They are subtle as subtle could be, if we could tune in to certain patterns and be aware and pay attention, well, I have no words for that, because there's no definition. It terms of love and compassion, I feel that's about damn universal, and even these plants are created from it, and understand it, and have the ability and the wisdom to let us know we can live on our planet however we wish, just so long as we don't destroy ourselves, because We have That ability Also.
We're still very very much swimming in uncharted waters. And we still don't know shit :)
Well it depends,
— Jun 06, 2011
on how long you've been swimming, how adapted you are to the waters, how much you thought you knew before you took to the waters and how much you can learn from the waves.
Traditional Shamen look at it as their using the plant and or Gaian conciousness for their own ends ( or the needs of the tribe ) rather than the mostly unaware state you posit you self and others as being in.
Peace !
" A rising tide - drowns those without boats " - Cee Are
"The object under your feet is always the dance floor " - Cee Are
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— Jun 07, 2011
HARBINGER- forgive me friend , i may have misunderstood or under-understood , thanks for the MJ blog , reflects many of my thoughts too
Thanks Rodick , I think experience is paramount too
DAZULA your experience is exactly what i was talking about , so maybe the end justify the means , as in it doesnt matter that you started psychosailing for any type of harmonic transcendence , but eventually you came to right?
CEE ARE let me ask you a question then: even though "Traditional Shamen look at it as their using the plant and or Gaian conciousness for their own ends" how do you really know that its not really the other way around , and in it seems like the final benefit is to the tribe or the shaman when really its all gaian/mass mind agenda disguised as such ? huh! huh! lol
