Philoetry ... ideological critiques wanted ...

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Hello, Pippalayana here, looking for a few thoughtful persons to gander at some of my work. I developed my own unique writing style of Philoety {philosophy/poetry}

I had a brain stroke back in 2003, and am relatively disabled ... have permanent paralysis throughout my left side. So, having always had a deeply contemplative nature ... took to writing.

The reason I am looking here for some honest critique, is that the content is based on so many topics discussed here and RS ... so should at least have some curio-aesthetic.

But more importantly the style is very abstract, not an easy read, unless one can follow the nature of the content ... somewhat hidden in abstraction.

My friends and family all enjoy the word-play intrigue, but fail to gain substantial insight into the actual content ... they not having interest in the progressive topics that most here on these boards do ... hence the petition for a "look-see"

Thought of publishing ... have introduction and rough drafts ... but if the audience here is not impressed, well will probably continue to keep it as a private hobby ...

So what I am looking for is can one actually survive the read without becoming lost in senselessness.

In my rough draft book I actually have a few lines of explanation for each stanza, mostly just to help hint of the conceptual vector ... am toying with different ways to explain these abstract and conventionally awkward reads

There are some hints in brackets within the stanza's here and there.

No promotional "jones" at present ... just looking to see if there is interest beyond my own personal intrigue. I have posted a couple on RS, but only as an adjunct to relative topics ... will include here as well ... if anyone seems interested in helping me critique further can do so on any other format

In my book there is a whole
introduction that goes deeply into the nature of the format, which is pretty thorough for conceptual context.

The style is new and different ... meant to leave one hanging ... various points, with or without vectored intent ... are left suspended in that "pre-judgment" state. {like Haiku}

There is no particular viewpoint promoted on any particular subject ... ‘vectored viewpoints of aesthetic whim only ... Philosophy being the affiliation … {philio} … with inner knowing ... {sophia} ... and not the promotion of a specific ideal ...

Hopefully there is a balance achieved to where this is as much poetic
philosophy ... as philosophic poetry ...

Things considered in my work ... in contrast to their not being so considered

Indigenous Shamanism/Mysticism
Tao/Zen/Sufi/Egyptian and Vedic ... philosophies
Alternative Ecological/Economical ... Psychological/Political viewpoints
Race/Geology/Anthropology
Indigenous Culture
Artistic sensibilities at various levels … numbness towards … {also}
Humor/Suffering
Quantum/Astro-Physics
New-Age/Old Age ... Ageless
Holistic Wellness/Healing Arts
Religion/Humanism
Media
Entheogenic Vision
Hip ... Cool ... Chilled
Information-age lust
Neo - anything/everything ... in contrast to good ‘ole insight into organic constitutional viability

... again just looking for semi-serious critiques on general "readabiliy" ... and content grasp ...

Running Bear Meets Resting Eagle
{ode to Shamans of lore … “colonizing the heirloom”}

Pow-wowing plumage … sterile as rock
‘mystic desert of sun … no sign of clock
Hieroglyphic hectic … ‘message … or mean{s}
‘nose-diving horrific … ‘of eagle unseen

A rodent … ‘a ridge … ‘between all time and space
‘warriors of bear … ‘hunters of grace
Cadillac … ‘crow … mushrooms of smoke
peripheral vision … ‘dimension{s} to toke … {ceremonial pipe}

A lizard … ‘a snake … ‘a nest way on top
hibernate … ‘burrow … harvest … ‘til plop
Mescalito … ‘or myth … vision … ‘or guess
moments of rave … ‘un-forgivingly bless

Delusion … ‘delight … elusive … ‘up-tight
intuit paranoia … ‘embracing … in flight
Above and beyond … {astral}… below and before … {subterranean}}
vortex’ ual guide …. {wormhole} … through time and space door

The Physics of Tao … the Zen of no end
for a Shaman of culture … ‘but a rule that can bend
A condor … ‘an eagle … crocodile … ‘nor bear … {entrainment}
‘shape-shifting version … no sorcery that scare … {Brujo}

Fear-only favor … dread-only fate
‘piled higher and deeper … {Ph. D} … another scholar too late
Modern as mischief … ‘or nomadic prime
civilized sentient … at the cost of ‘but time

At the end of the session … {Peyote} … as the fire put out
the wisdom and wonder … ‘no longer ‘round and about
Certified ‘sunder … thrown off at core
steadfast as duty … ‘or through pilgrimage door

Eloquent and supple … lush-linger liable
dust-dirty puddle … ‘through needles eye … ‘or the Bible
Prophet of pod … {desert bean-carob} … Baptismal as John
psychedelic as God … the very path were upon

Crushed by caress … the Angelic crutch
smothered alone … from each and every such touch
Stampede wisdom ... ‘of the butchered blest
indebted to smile … ‘though seldom to test

Forward from behind … around about steed
‘supplemental expense … extracted from greed
Balanced-out worry … ‘or caught-up in time
{as} … ‘off beat exaggeration … culminates prime

The pristine suggestive ... instigates lore
wild–willing … ‘or mind … ‘such perpetual chore
Frightening fidget … ‘though cordial immense
‘the per-viewed length … of the ever widening tense

Surrounding beauty … like no other … ‘quite
‘un-likened to instance … of the competitive trite
Hammered in stone … ‘such an adjustment prude
forgoing all change … for the silly sell-y rude

Pippalayana

The Bleeding of Seed

Scourge of the wind ... ‘broken in bits
no trial ... ‘no trophy ... no ass-kicking wits … {burning of libraries/dis-info
To minimize lore ... 'but another think tank ... {selling soul to research ... data the new mythology}
‘of science that purges ... all peasant from rank ... {genetic manipulations vs. heirloom wisdom … ethnic cleansing etc}

Political grease ... ‘slick-slippery fine ... {existential principle behind all taxation}
money for worth ... {and} … ‘the paper-coin whine
Minerals to dig ... plastic to mold
idols to sell ... {media} ... ‘ever-sanctioning scold ... {law}

Forests that fell ... ‘junk mail galore
‘earn-only check ... ‘such talent ... 'but whore
Life beyond market ... ‘of give and take seed
death … ‘to ‘but park it ... 'lest rising soul freed

Into cloud beyond rock ... heaven beyond cloud
‘God beyond heaven ... 'lest each of us proud
Hell helps the hurting ... that angels ‘but cause
‘in the name of all goodness ... the mercy that pause

Judging ‘but fruit ... ‘the payment ... the cost
‘middle-road earth ... 'lest Eden be lost ... {'lest heaven and hell ... good and evil ... tree of knowledge - biblical}
Sanctioning sin ... ‘demonized true … {though …}
the lusty no wiser ... ‘the greedy still due

Proprietary torture ... ‘of strength that just might
as the meekly inherit ... 'but the debt from the fight
Criss-cross 'a bearing ... ‘the suffering bliss
‘devils don't worry ... things we surely will miss ...

Bridge-burning desire ... ‘oasis to flaunt
‘into the mire ... the irresistible jaunt
Off-the-book dues ... under-table score
stately preserved file ... of ‘but signature {s} bore

‘Withheld ever-more ... the democratic view
civilized to sell ... ‘merely choices of you
Martial-message-master ... ‘of but weapons and tax
the holy ... ‘the sorry ... the science ... ‘the facts

Each circle unwound ... ‘no straighter than line
‘on just the right spot ... advertisement of sign
Used to have meaning ... ‘though never quite quaint
‘was thought to cause sorrow... ‘souls to ‘but taint ...

With pleasure and pain ... { good/evil fruits} … ‘that heroes embark ...
banking on borrow ... ‘on path ... ‘or in park
Owning-up author ... ‘no story to tell
‘roots to relinquish ... ‘from all fantasy … fell

Spell-bounded silly ... ‘sobered-up ... shun
dream ‘but forsaken ... {for} … ‘the befriending of gun ...{war}
‘Kill to correct ... the mirroring sin
‘finding ‘but fault ... where none ever been

Pin-pointing style ... ‘focused critique
spontaneous ... ‘wild ... at wearing-thin peak
Mountain-top yodel ... ‘screams from below
‘yo-yo's that fiddle ... around ‘til must go

Respectful ... ‘decline ... encourage ... ‘embrace
‘on-track fluctuation ... ‘merely humans of race
Nomadic thrive ... ‘full to the brim ... {satisfied with necessity}
'lest courting all martyrs ... with economic whim

Farming field once fertile ... {chemical-saturated soil & water} ... satellites spying need
mercenary terror ... on ‘but global eco-bleed
Fear of viral germ ... ‘sterilized … or blessed ... {bio warfare - martyrdom}
conspire ever onwards ... ‘those who never would have guessed

Pippalayana

Comments

I actually quite like it. I

I actually quite like it. I almost find the 'hints' a bit jarring, however. Perhaps put them all together, still in their individual brackets, at the end of the piece in order? So its like tags that give hints on the whole piece, rather than having the brackets break up the rhythm? I like the idea of 'philosophical poetry', and think having bracketed hints to go with the poem is quite genius. But I feel, with this structure, they end up interfering with the 'Right Side of the Brain' equation.

That's my only real critique. I generally write more 'explicit' poetry, not in the sense of bad words but more in the sense of Robert Frost vs. Dadaism. Still, I quite like it and your sense of rhythm and structure, and rhyme are excellent. I don't strictly mind freeform poetry, some of it is quite good...but I can't help agreeing with Frost that writing poetry without structure is like playing tennis with no net.

Fun sometimes, but I prefer the challenge. ^_^ Most freeform poetry reads, to me, like an essay with obfuscating language and an annoying number of paragraph breaks. =)

Still, for what it is worth (probably somewhere in the vicinity of 2 pennies...^_~), it gets the Chibi Thumbs Up. =)

"You must *be* the change you wish to see in the world."
Mahatma Gandhi

Thanks ... Reply

Thanks for your comments ... I will likely take your advice on the brackets ... to some degree or other. I also do not like poetry that is too free form. If I did not use a simply rhyming scheme, things would get lost in abstraction.

How did you get to see this blog ... I did not see it posted on the home page ... is it only available through "search" ... not sure I posted it right.

Anyhow my main forte is Philosophy ... "thesis/treatise" type writing more in line with my conceptual nature.

This Philoetry is hopefully aimed at inspiring a thoughtful moment of philosophical intrigue ... not to be read as poetry for poetry's sake ... will include some of my book introduction here .. if you care to read ...

I try to introduce the book so that the appropriate perspective on this style can more easily be integrated into the reading experience. Again, thanks for taking the time to look it over ... these comments are exactly what I was looking for.

Day of Moon

{On the Art of Philoetry}

I have always had a contemplative, philosophical disposition, at the
core of my very nature. At one point in my life I began toying with
Poetry to help vent some of the more abstract conceptions that seem to
underlie such propensity.
This was never meant to be an actual representation of the passion of
“true poetry,” but rather my own personal guiding of some abstract
concepts into the “guise of rhyme” ... mostly for my own “intra-personal”
communication.
If I did not use a relatively simple rhyming scheme, then the already
dry and abstract nature would possibly be overbearing. Such a
format somewhat forcing me into at least some sense of conventional
focus.
I call this “Philoetry” ... {Philosophy-Poetry} ... in my internal musings;
or “daytime lunacy” ... {lunar} ...if you like ... the “sobering” of aesthetic
mellows at their seed essence. … “the enlightening of lunacy”… {day/moon}

My life’s work, in a pure Philosophical sense, tends to lean,
ultimately, more towards “treatise/thesis” type compositions. Yet without at
least a touch of some poetic sense, the communication of such
abstractions can often resonate too dry ... 'hence the need for such a
semi-serious hobby.
In the actual poems themselves I place hints of modes of understanding, usually in parentheses, to help clarify the abstract use of words and/or concepts.

I felt obliged to introduce this work along with some conceptual
guidelines ... saving another the chore of “interpreting the abstract,” to
the best of my ability.
Because of both the philosophical depth, and abstract use of language,
additional paragraphs of commentary are added in addition to the "poems” ... sort of stanza-to stanza ... although more like concept-to concept, rather then line-to-line, or word-to-word; ... semi-intentionally ... so as not to merge the two formats ... {Poetry & Philosophy} ... ‘but merely afford the conceptual link

Having a lifelong background in Philosophical thought, my life’s only
real forte, I tend to think in broad terms; readily mixing in the
Sociological with the Psychological … with the Political … with the
Economical … with the Ecological etc ... seeing many modern contemporary on-goings as never really separate from the more ancient, or even timeless philosophical principles ... as this has always been my
nature ... an intricate web-spinning scheme of varied wit ...

However the use of language may seem obtuse, even for such a purpose, and the conceptual framework is often larger and more complex then a given premise of most contemporary thought. So it tends to leave some “clueless” until some explanation of the intent affords a context .
In Philoetry, the structure follows the actual insights, and not the
other way around. The more understanding of the conceptual premise,
the easier the read.
Sort of like when reading a Haiku, or looking at Modern Abstract Art ... one sort of has to allow a "non-local" premise to help guide the insight ... “backing up” or “backing off” ... a meditative Zen “Koan” would be the epitome of such detached/dispassionate looking.

relative easy-read example of Stanza & Commentary below}

Each life “lived and loved” ... ‘fading facade
‘back into seed ... such dramatic charade
The restless future ... ‘unacquainted with past
the worship of “while” ... ‘as ever may it last

Stanza Commentary:

Life but temporary ... to the degree we accentuate is to the degree we fade
.... always back to the "zero point" … {potentiality} … of all intention ... to instigate perpetuation for it's own sake
Our desires for future gain ... at the expense of past wisdom
.... therefore present viability ... virtually elusive

The ease of reading often depends on the ability to follow the
conceptions themselves ... there sometimes being many categorical statements of variegated concerns … peers -government-environment-ecology- psychology -physics-satire-humor etc, etc ... paralleling or contrasting each other as pieces of the overall patterned work
All mere hints of a possible conceptual link ... a bit of a “thinkers read,” in this sense, although “no more than not,” at other times ... almost seeming like a regular Stanza/Poem in some cases.

This next Stanza & Commentary a bit more of an “abstracted read.”

To be “for” ... the once … ‘already “as” ... {dedication costing existentiality}
‘bluffs it’s way through ... each wriggling razz
Rooting through ... it’s own shallow mist
penetrating pain ... {of} ... ‘exploring only the “if”

Stanza Commentary:

Motivation ... at the loss of “presence” ...
... ever needing to convince oneself and others of such misconstrued passion
Trying to stabilize growth ... without depth of purpose
... the more one looks outside oneself ... in the name of probability ... one looses possibility

Some twisting around, and/or inverting of the conceptual language is
meant to add to the abstract aesthetic ... the overshadowing of the
Poetry-type format with Philosophical worth.

Inviting introspection of a progressive patterned nature … hopefully
answering it’s own intrigue, or questioning the answers in life that are
without such intrigue.
Allowing oneself to be left hanging, and yet not, both in the same
instance ... the self-answering of the ever-questioning Koan ...

The very alchemical fire of the Philosophers stone ... Zen ‘lest Tao 'lest Zen 'lest ... the ever-ongoing relationship between focus and flow ... Yoga the very art of such integration.

on more for the road .... inimal brackets

Hungering Hurt

Elegant fiend ... ‘of formative wealth
‘empire squeal ... conspiracy stealth
Sort-of … ‘sort-out ... ‘as if way to go
‘lead not … ‘nor follow ... path to “forever know”

Sensation stir ... ‘monger of might
as penance confers ... ‘of luster ‘alight
Wimpy and meek ... ‘tiger and “torn”
the hunger ... ‘the envy ... the freedom to scorn

Living as must ... ‘unjustly intrigue
‘maddening ruse ... of coercive league
Vox-populi trick ... 'mere opinion of rule
sacrament torture ... ‘upon soap-box and stool

Ponders no argument ... of vanity plush
war over all ... ‘any-every … till hush
Solitude sharing ... ‘no peace-pipe ... no joke
‘love only somber ... no caressing stoke

Melancholy muck ... ‘the fermenting of “feel” ... {emotion}
‘inspiring all action ... from passion to “kneel”
Rest it’s own fortune ... from passing-time scene
ongoing dream … ‘from “if reality” ... wean

‘Fact-of-matter "spirit" ... at the essence of “stuff”
‘and the graciousness warning ... of viabilities huff ... {pride}
Work & play union ... ‘religious yoga of such
‘offset by ones stolen ... smell, taste & touch

Balancing wobble ... “as she goes” steady
‘unless of course ... nescience already
Momentum as goal ... ‘the epitomized flux
‘of suffering death ... ‘of life-at-the-crux

Mission-grade horror ... ‘plea-bargaining plight
‘saturate lush ... with lust-only light
Principled point ... ‘of worthiness deal ...
to honor or conquer ... ‘only but meal

Pippalayana

There are three tabs on the

There are three tabs on the blogs list, Highest Rated, Most Recent, Most Commented. I found it when I was checking the most recent. A lot of blogs get lost in the spam of posts. It defaults on Highest Rated, but I think it should default on Most Recent. I feel that would be more fair,and give a higher chance of recognition. Maybe they will soon. =)

As you get friends on the network, though, they will give you votes and if you get voted high enough you'll show up on the Highest Rated. So its sort of meritocratic, mostly.

I think your poetry is beautiful, and I think the amount of thought you have put in to your structure is truly impressive. It's never easy to blaze your own trail. =) And remember that, to Tolkien, the whole 'Middle Earth' thing was merely a hobby and his personal musings. He was truly surprised to find out others were interested. Perhaps it will be the same for you. And, if not, at least you had fun. ^_~

There is a lot of good poetry being put up lately, its nice to see all of these poet/esses sharing their work. Keep it up, I'm always willing to lend an ear...or eye, as the case may be. =P

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I just discovered your blog today via another member's reply to a poem you have posted that was forwarded to me by email hence, here I am.

Your story and writing style are definitely intriguing which has enlightened me to the topic of `philoetry' .

Having clarified the meaning of the term I find I can identify with its philosophy as relates to my own writing. Though my style is quite different from yours, the nature of intent is much the same: not to be bound by structure to form but more importantly the meaning of what is being conveyed.

If I had anything to critique would be possibly the length of your poems. It is not that they are too long but your breadth of subject covered in just one poem is immense and I would suggest a good number of people would be hard pressed to be aware of half the topics you brush upon in one poem. Personally I totally appreciate how you can encapsulate so much and do it in such a way as to be mind blowing at times.

In keeping with the concept of philoetry - your cryptic words leave much to the reader's subjective interpretation that further enhances the depth of message framed by the reader's own subjective view.

I say keep writing because your uniqueness of style and diversity in awareness of that around you is definitely a gift and as to publishing - there is a sight I have self-published my writing if for no other than to formally catalog them is www.blurb.com They are very reasonable and the software is not too difficult to use.

Poet’s Blight

A poet’s craft seeks expression to find
That to another mental ear, its resonance is inclined
But only to a few artists is this goal given to live
The rest fall as water’s gravity within a sieve
But initiates be not dismayed by this blight
For such talent is most often given post one’s artistic life
For words that ultimately find this stature of favored reading
Best be left to its author’s posthumous needing.

Good luck and keep writing..
To get inside my head through my writing, visit my blog @ http://naykdpt.blogspot.com/?zx=662655762ea52d35

Nayked & Poetic

I appreciate the encouragement and support, as I don't generally get much. Actually the word "Philoetry" came to me out of the blue one day, and I almost thought that I had "created it on the spot" ... though after doing a search I found others had came up with it before, but like you, I found it somewhat personally relevant.

I am a philosopher more than a poet by nature. A thesis or treatise is almost easier on my nature to write than a truly passionate poem ... hence my particular format / style ... the closest I seem to be able to come to compromise.

I really cannot control the length much, although I understand where you are coming from. They range from 4 stanza's to around 20 or so on occasion. I
try not to think about it much ... just write ... here and there on occasion .. see shorter sample below.

Peace of Abyss

{entheo – whiff- drifting}

Misfortune’ d cloud ‘smoked into pearl
the understood wind ‘of the by & by whirl
Reluctant-go-lucky ‘hip, cool and blown
as timeless as test ‘cured by the unknown

Mysterious measure ‘though inquired not
courted by buzz ‘though never quite ought
Thick and thin moments ‘for every tempt ‘tis there trial
the blistering blest 'lest each murderous smile

Sentenced by thought feelings, and act
‘tip-toe satisfaction amidst the peril of tact
Requires immersion ‘in and out of the mind
torturing folly ‘stoning only the blind

Softened up silly ‘by a most serious jest
incorporate culture ‘and the alternative test
Each brotherly dude unbounded and free
others mocking the innocence ‘intensity and glee

Psychedelic pain the lack of all love
‘on visionary plane 'but heavy metal dove {of phoenix & flight ... burning up weight of karma via inspiration}
Frigid and forged each alternative to this
“togetherness” warning {brotherhood} ‘lest peace of abyss

Pippalayana

Fascinating

I am curious as to your moment of inspiration for this and your other works as well your process of unraveling the story<?> For example for me it is a string of words that come to mind that somehow mean something more and I proceed to elaborate on them and the title (the focus) of it invariable comes toward the last phrase or part of the last stanza,.the whole process usually not taking any time at all.

The manner of style you favor raises curiosity as to how your thoughts flow through to what you end up writing

Edit Note (I think) `Thick and thin moments ‘for every tempt ‘tis there (their?) trial

To get inside my head through my writing, visit my blog @ http://naykdpt.blogspot.com/?zx=662655762ea52d35

Temptation on Trial ... Vectors of Understanding

For every temptation ... the ongoing associative karma ... hence "there trial" ... {there being, therefore trial } ... the trial of leaving Eden { toil} hence unnecessary struggle ... but yes one could actually use "their trial" making it more subjective, quite observant of you. More of an objective statement for me

.. like a general principle ... "for every tempt 'tis there trial .. faining older style English some.

I don't really know where inspiration comes from. I am 52 and was not inspired to write until around 45-46. I have been a deep and serious student of Mystic Philosophy since 1973-74.

After decades of a contemplative life it just started to come. Like the cream off the top of many years of hard-earned progressive thought. More like a culmination, than an on-the-spot creative passion.

They are all written within an hour or so, coming out of the blue, beginning with just a phrase. Fine tunning {minor editing over time} ad infinitum. But the basic structure comes complete.

I often don't really or fully "get" them myself till some time after the initial creation ... as you mentioned, there is sometimes a fair amount of content and it takes a few reads to tune into the full potential.

This is why "Philoetry" is used to describe it. But you really seemed to get that all on your own.

Most "evolved" writers will always have some philosophy mixed in ... with me philosophy might even be the dominating influence, where as a true "poet" probably asserts their genius more through pure passion, rather then contemplative prowess alone ... I tend to run a little dry when it comes to juicy passion.

Hence more of a philosopher than a poet. I only write on occasion, where as real poets are jotting things down all of the time .. more "artistic" by nature, truly creative fellows. {yourself - others}

Yet one has to be at least a bit of a poet ones self to use the format. Philoetry is meant to foster contemplation itself, so without really even trying to do so, I think my version of Philoetry maybe even forces one to think a little too much, where as poetry lets one off the hook much easier.

"Vectors of understanding" abound, for better or for worse. Rather than a "string of words" like your good self, I just get one phrase at a time .. the abstract format is like reading "comparative phrasing" more than actual "verse" which I think is somewhat annoying for some, just not a "juicy" flowing read.

Again, maybe not quite as free flowing as poetry itself. Too self contained, which may have it's attraction, but just not that enjoyable to read outside of gained insightfulness ... no pure pleasure like true poetry.

Hopefully Philoetry has it's place in it all. Certainly not a domineering format. Likely only attracting a few patrons over here ... over there.

Pippalayana

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