Old Paradigms or New Ones?

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This week I"ve read and had some great discussions here on Evolver. Such inspiring ideas, concepts, perceptions and educational materials and references.
As I digest all the intellectual and emotive communications here, I can't help but be a little frustrated.

On one hand, most of the ideals and suggestions here are so easy to understand. Most of the participants here contribute their feelings, experiences and beliefs in both the real and virtual worlds. Many of the blogs expressed here are inspirational and motivating. But I still feel like things don't add up.

There are other, alternative ways of life and living it. There are less collaterally destructive methods of achieving these alternatives. There is desire and drive and innovation all around us, yet the same paradigms exist. So much so as to cloud the path of the NEW paradigm trying to be defined and enacted here on Evolver.

Many of the contemporary vehicles available to us today, especially the internet, have been coercively modified to fit a commercial and profit centered paradigm. For those earning their living via the internet and all its agents, its fine. To those who don't and enjoy the entertainment and consumer convenience, fine too. But there is a fine line in including the trendy marketing of the new vehicles and how they run or are made, steeped in the old profit paradigms.

A revolution changes things. I don't know of a revolution that wasn't inconvenient to at least some parties if not a public half. I don't know of any modern age revolution that didn't involve blood shed. No one likes or wants that, but that's the way it is, metaphorical or actual blood.

If a revolution is not well defined, it cannot illicit inspiration. Hypocrisy of terms does not make a clear revolutionary direction. A revolution to change profit centers is not a people's revolution from the grass roots.

If you combine Evolution and Revolution, (a mighty big ticket to fulfill) you are going to have to abolish the old paradigm entirely. Some examples might be the change from a Neanderthal dominated world to a modern man dominated world. Or in the future, from natural man to trans-human man world.

"Selling" a revolution/evolution using the slogan of LOVE, makes me think, what's another word for selling love? Prostitution? What's my point?

It's either going to be one thing or the other. Be clear, be defined, be committed.

An Evolution/Revolution as discussed here on Evolver can not be accomplished by funding it with free market capitalism. Actual action, cooperation, empathetic tolerance, complete lifestyle adjustments, no half way commitments, trying to be both at the same time. We don't want any virtual "Tent Cities" do we? The phrase having your cake and eating it too reminds me of Marie Antoinette's phrase, "Let them eat cake." and we all know what happened to her.

Change, complete, effective change comes about through making hard realizations and hard choices. Then comes hard work to turn those beliefs into reality. No conveniences, no something for nothing. There are also many unexpected sacrifices. If you aren't prepared nor wanting the requirements of this path, then you don't want an Evolution/Revolution. Go buy a T-shirt and join the picnic on the hill.

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tough love

ya, bad or worse than that golden goodie, song

of the 50's (was it?)

"breaking up is hard to do"

making up with the completely devoid status-quo?

Try securing a few skills to feed oneself in a dying world? I'd agree.

Think of the effects of the gulf spill-- Expect food commodities to spike in pricing, simple, read the signs.

Hard if not harsh, but there is always hope. There is always the essential, of 'fear not'. Do not let fear take hold of you. It wants to suck in slaves, like dead meat for titans to eat. Strengthen one's awareness and resolve.

Yet love, may i argue, if so we are to do. Cosmic Love is vital to surviving the coming turbulence of time itself. Get right and keep right with such love of cosmic origins. By what ever terms one wills. If it grows in consciousness, it can at least quell the death from fear.

responsibility/ empathy

I'm wondering about earth's shadow on the moon. Idealism is discredited near and wide. Responsibility is hard to implement at our home community level. How can idealism correct the waste of oil economics in everything nearby? How can the veil of mystery be lifted from free energy? How many Teslas need to die? So will idealistic people go to clean up distant beaches, as oil and tar roll in? There does eventually grow disharmony with the locals: the unemployed and the under employed, whose life is now ruined. It's hard fit in, helping hard workers. Locals always have struggled for a living were they live. Struggled in many ways. They search and hold on to survival. Little niches in what was sustaining, day to day. Young idealism might dedicate the very best, for the ecosystem and all. Though how will it sustain a community of fishermen, whose world is murdered? How will our local community give up bad habits of disharmonious consumerism? Perhaps nature already plans for this, extinction of dinosaurs today.

Today i've been asked to help some local well to-do's. Help them sort through possessions of a dead friend. A common friend of 40 years. Some sort of non profit org they all ran together. They'l probably know what to do with the assets left behind. As managing property is the realm of well to do's. Fence in the property. So they may say? To keep who or what away? It is reported that when people have nothing left to to loose.... They really loose it! So what will they want from me , a man who gets things done? Probably free toil and unpaid labor, under the sun.

Well put. I think its time

Well put. I think its time to be creative, real and honest in these changes.

yup agree

I've spent ten years actively working in sustainability and environmental awareness and education, constantly developing opportunities for people to actively engage in doing something to change things for the better.Most People are in self denial and spend too much time discussing change than putting themselves into ACTION.

I advertised here even but was disappointed with the little practical feedback on volunteers or logistical resource for people to join and collaborate on our Oil Clean project. FM said if she was down there she would have a fleet to clean up, well fact is you need the people to volunteer themselves to get the work done, if they don't volunteer their services you go and do it yourself, which is what i'm doing and i'm sure others are doing who see past the nonsense

People waste so much energy on discussion rather than getting together to collaborate logistics for action, solutions and sustainability is simple, live it, breath it, act upon it we don't need to wait for anyone else to do it first, we have to just engage and do what we can now. I know so many indigenous communities in poor countries that do so many extraordinary things with so little resources and people in the west just like to make things complicated as an excuse to not get things done..

http://www.evolvetoecology.org
http://sailingbeyondknowledge.podOmatic.com

Unfolding an ever evolving humanity -
"we are the last voices to protect nature"

I agree...

You mention a word, volunteer... in a hardcore,consumer society like the western worlds, it is almost impossible to compile an effective volunteer effort. When you are appeased by consumption and not committed individual labor reward, most will not volunteer.

The other thing you mention, an Oil Clean Project, it reminds me of an old Jay's or Lay's commercial slogan, "go ahead, have another, we'll just keep making more." or something to that effect.
The only way to "clean up oil" is to stop using it. That's it. Stop using it. Don't buy (consume) it. Pretty soon they will stop making it. Since oil is in almost everything we consume today, it seems an impossible task. But it's more effective, and every individual can volunteer to do this on their own. Just stop or reduce your usage as close to zero as possible.

You mention indigenous communities. They are great natural role models. Too bad they haven't branded themselves and opened up a franchise. Then maybe more people would understand how to first survive in true reality, sustain themselves without environmentally destructive excess.
The problem is, the western juggernaut corrupts most of what it touches. Again that's why the change has to come from the individuals. Pick your own mentors, it's faster than only "talking" about solutions and organizing groups. The choice and effort it takes to change is tough, no question, but it is light years faster than motivating a group to change.

Great discussion ideas, thanks for contributing to my blog Sailing Beyond

Brilliant

Roarke,

Maybe that's what ought to happen, natives brand themselves and sell their ways of life to the rest of us, oil-free. The resurgence in their cultures would be phenomenal.

I know many of you just probably gagged at the thought, but get over yourselves and your aversion to commercial mainstream society. Learning how to embrace the masses and show them a better way means a better world. If only the Evolver mindset were mainstream....I'm working on it.

For my dream experiment, I went out in the community and gave beautiful invites in black envelopes to random people I saw sitting outside their homes, and talked to them about my ideas. One old lady started yelling, "It's true, it's true, dreams are contagious! Oh lord I've lived a hundred years and I know when something's true, my god girl thank you."

Now if those fifty talked to even one person each about how stupid they thought the idea was.....

It's already on its way. :-D The IDEA of sustainability is more important than anything, it is a seed and it is growing. We're trying to turn it into practice...

“An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come.”-Victor Hugo

thanks Meg,

although branding our indigenous mentors might be a little self defeating....LOL.

but what you say is true, bad word of mouth is ten times more influential than good word of mouth. But first we have to make sure the "good" part is actually good.

Change is hard. There's no semantics in that statement.

One of the hard parts about change and especially the change we need today is that we can't use any old vehicles to bring it about.

the paradigm to day is to change the concept of "convenience at all costs" to "contentment through hard work and simplicity."

Yes, those statements involve a bit of semantics, but it's a much bigger discussion and leap of acquired understanding than what first reading reveals.

Speaking for myself...

I look at Evolver and RS as a kind of social/cafe experience....somewhere to come and listen and talk get new ideas/perspectives, vent, rant, formulate thoughts etc... and since it's just a website with members and blogs... that's probably about all it can be. I don't think that's a bad thing - a way to have friends without leaving the house.

I hear you saying that the '(r)evolution' needs more than just words...well duh :) We all have to actually be doing something - actively working in the world to make it better each in our own ways and according to our abilities. I think Rs & Ev are places to check in on how that work's going... they're not the work itself.

Love is much more than a slogan....it's the enabler of right action that will make the world a better place.

Speaking to your 'frustration' and 'accusation?' That we're all just 'hot air'?? I find that whenever I'm accusing someone else of something, I should usually actually look to myself and my projections...it's a fairly ubiquitous mental sidestep to accuse the 'other' of what is exactly wrong with the 'self' - cuts down on all that pesky soul searching and personal responsibility and stuff... :)

I'm working as hard as I can on my 'better world' project and I believe most all RS'ers and EV'ers are too - it's nice to be able to come here and find some like minds to engage with.

Sorry Desire

That you seem so defensive. What you are claiming I am saying, you've gone and done yourself. No matter.

My blog that you commented on was in response to two other unmentioned blogs recently posted. One concerning Evolver itself and I didn't quite agree with the level of semantics used to define Evolver in my brief time here.

I would disagree with you about E and RS not being the work itself. I see it as a motivational result of the efforts and energies around us that are trying to share information, experiences and ideals. So I think that they ARE very much part of the work itself.

I might also suggest, that you spend more time reading here and post a few blogs yourself, before executing "transference" of your own. oh, btw don't accredit words to me I didn't say. thanks.

Thanks for participating in the discussion though.

Hmmm...

I guess I was responding to your statement "Change, complete, effective change comes about through making hard realizations and hard choices. Then comes hard work to turn those beliefs into reality. No conveniences, no something for nothing. There are also many unexpected sacrifices. If you aren't prepared nor wanting the requirements of this path, then you don't want an Evolution/Revolution. Go buy a T-shirt and join the picnic on the hill." Which I took to be directed at folks here - I couldn't agree more with the sentiment, that it takes sacrifice and work to acheive change, I was disagreeing that people here are not hard workers in that sense - but perhaps you weren't saying that... also I don't think the 'get with the program or eff off' attitude is likely to win friends and influence people - that's where the 'love' part comes in.

When you say "I might also suggest, that you spend more time reading here and post a few blogs yourself, before executing "transference" of your own. oh, btw don't accredit words to me I didn't say. thanks." HAH - maybe you're right :)

a much better discussion...

We all are working at communication. It's even harder today when surrounded by Orwellian Semantics and mixed messages.
I was trying to address that in my own way, albeit possibly distracted.

I think the discussions here are important. I think tying the parameters of the participation here to finances is the wrong direction to take.

The extent of the discussions here are HUGE. There is a wide range of language, jargon, definition, meaning, intent, ... the consciousness people look for and the consciousness they get might be surprising.

You are right, I need to work on my patience. It seems to have run a little thin these days.

You're right too

that there is really amazing stuff being written here - I mean actually really...it's a very very impressive range and depth of thinking with somehow a really tight cohesiveness around the core issue of making things better through evolution of self and others...

I spend a bit of time on a completely unrelated social networking site where you can start a themed group (or ten) about any topic you like... you're then the group moderator and people can join or leave the group as they wish, you have to join the specific group in order to comment. (membership to the whole site is free but you can donate any $ you can afford or want... you get a "I support" badge on your profile if you do for some bragging rights I suppose...) Anyway, I think I've seen this suggestion elsewhere on EV too, I think the groups thing would be good - you'd be a good 'Off the Grid' group mod - etc each person would have their own specialty and again from this other site I find that the collected conversations and threads make an incredible resource of opinion and knowledge that is then 'searchable' by topic.

The other thing I think EV really needs is more members... I wonder what the 'ownership' is doing to promote that? The site I mention above really spread like wildfire because they're free AND really got it right in terms of what you can do on the site. Everythings different though and I wonder if EV could benefit from some sort of organized outreach to up the numbers... maybe even just each of us current members emailing 10 friends or something...I think maybe the 'mixed messages' on the financial aspects here might ironically be one thing that's blocking growth - early adopters are probably more willing to look past or work with this unresolved ambivalence because we're more gung ho about the subject matter - maybe this needs to be resolved before we even feel like emailing 10 friends and asking for their time and input and support - not sure on that one (and that's maybe the problem right there...)

Well jeez

so I do more looking around and there they are - GROUPS ;) What a dolt I am - start an off the grid group roarke! - (or maybe I have doltishly not noticed that you already have) - I still think we need more members and the comments above about that still hold - how many members does EV have anyway - worldwide group is 5k - is that everyone?

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