Dr. Emoto - has he HELPED or HURT the evolver movement?
posted by Victoria-BC-con... | July 2, 2010
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IcerocketDr. Randi (a skeptic) offers a $1million prize to Dr. Emoto to simply be able to reproduce his experiment. Dr. Emoto replies Emoto's work is more like art than science...
(In the comments section his reply in Japanese)
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=164976
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my thoughts:
For me, Dr. Emoto's work was inspirational. When I leafed through his book, I could find no discussion of the scientific method, so I assumed it's just pseudoscience. (Basically, label the one water jar LOVE, then pick out all the pretty crystals, label the one jar FEAR, and pick out only the ugly crystals. You could likely pick out pretty crystals from the fear jar and ugly ones from the love jar if you wanted to.)
So then I question, for myself, was Dr. Emoto's work good or bad overall, for the evolver movement?
GOOD:
as art value
as inspiration for the moment
BAD:
purports to be science but isn't = fraud
makes the people who endorse it seem less credible
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When I host my first meeting for my regional group (Victoria, BC) I would like to discuss this, so please help me see all sides!
I really value all the intelligent, well thought out blog posts I've read here so far! Thanks!
Comments
so far no comments or groks
— Jul 03, 2010
I know a lot of people here reference Emoto.
I've read all the blog posts here that came up when I searched Emoto.
I respect your opinions, and I know many believe in him.
All my Google research though says he's a fraud.
http://www.chem1.com/CQ/clusqk.html
I think I will open with this at my water spore, just to clear the air, so nobody feels misaligned when we discuss the TRUE spirit of water.
I personally don't want to host this and be feeling resentment.
What is good?; what is
— Jul 03, 2010
What is good?; what is bad?
What past tense referent constitutes the good vs. bad paradigm is relevant in the now? Only in the now can the future be of infinite possibility. Only in the now can true potential be known. Not that it will, but that 's the only way regardless.
To make judgments is to make them based on the past whereby we falsely attempt to remove hidden potential. Although, ones complicity, complacency, and acquiescence may reflect a limited false potential.
Judge if you must but beware. Taking any position inevitably creates a counter-position. Although, for whom the bell tolls that they may answer the call remains to be seen. The potential exists and persists and, it's completely dependent on the initial volley. (open fire?)
What can I say? I don't know. I can't validate it for myself therefore, I don't know. Furthermore, I can't know. All I can do is accept potential in all forms. Potentially true, potentially false. Until I test for myself, I'll never know.
This, excluding of course the fact that the apparatus used to make any scientific observations may be flawed. Since your mind, like any other close system, can only be sure of what it knows about itself by relying on what it knows about itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVC0FcSRxL8
"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."
beware the maze of language...
— Jul 05, 2010
Good is truth, love, life-affirming.
Bad is illusion, fear, life-concealing.
As for Dr. Emoto, I have not investigated him. I don't think intention and emotion need any more "scientific proof" than our everyday experience.
Let us know what you find though.
—ys.
self-dis-covery.blogspot.com
Right... Truth is in the
— Jul 06, 2010
Right... Truth is in the now, illusion is the future, the past is not current.
"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."
Ahh, now it comes back to me
— Jul 04, 2010
I just now re-discovered the link that got me all lit up in the first place:
http://www.evolver.net/group/engaged_buddhism/discussion/structuring_wat...
Btw, I have some friends in Victoria. Wonderful place. I've eaten delightful chocolate cookies with strong hot coffee in the cool morning fondly on the lapping pebbled shores there.
My sense of connection with Dr. Emoto's work is purely anecdotal. Conceptually artistic is a safe definition. I've written here and there about how food made with anger and anxiety makes me feel quite ill after eating it. This works for me consistently, even in double-blind experiments. If I were a brewer of elixers I'd definitely pay attention to Dr. Emoto's ideas.
Amazing Randi is a Saturnian character. Always testing and disproving, and weeding out the fluff. A very important role to play. But remember Bohr and Heisenburg. Accepting quantum science leads to a cascading re-evaluation of scientific truth. That we may influence whatever we expect to happen is a tricky business indeed!
you all are opening my mind...
— Jul 06, 2010
to a whole new way of understanding just what is science.
very interesting!
