What happens will happen...Response to Daniel Pinchbeck

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Here's how I see things...

Why are we so attached to outcomes? Don't we know that change happens, whether we participate in it or not...whether we resist it or allow it.

There is a flow to all things. A living, ever changing flow. It is like a song. Its like our emotions. The world, as it is, is like this. The earth is like this.

Why have we lost our connections to the essence of heart and life and spirit? I don't know. Can we re-connect? Yes.

Remember nothing is wasted in nature. All things, even the "un-natural" are of nature. Everyone, and everything that is, (that includes you) comes from the same source.

There is a promise and prophecy of great change in 2012. There's a lot in the mix of ideas about this year, and a lot of talk about where we are going. If your greatest hopes are achieved, so be it. If your greatest fears are confirmed so be it. But if you hold no expectations, demands, or attachments to outcomes, whatever happens occurs as a beautiful surprise....as something that remained hidden, and comes alive in the moment. The same thing is happening right now!

Let blogs be blogs, let oil spills be oil spills, let anger be anger, and let thoughts be thoughts. Let the future be the future, let the past be past. Let imperfection be imperfection and let disharmony be disharmony. It is all part of the song...

I guess alot of this is a response to Daniel Pinchbeck's recent RS blogs. Maybe I don't see what he sees; he certainly has had more visionary experiences and journeys then I have had. Maybe there actually is some kind of urgency in our times that needs responding too. Maybe we need to be more than participants and actively drive change in a world on the verge. Maybe there is an opportunity for something great to arise out of 2012...At the same time, I feel as though all these things should flow in a natural way. I see no battles to be fought.

Personally, I don't know what will happen, and I'm not sure what greater forces are at play. I've been meditating, and giving my energies towards growth and learning and connectedness.

Is there any other work that needs doing in this day and age?

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In defense of Daniel Pinchbeck

"Maybe there actually is some kind of urgency in our times that needs responding too. Maybe we need to be more than participants and actively drive change in a world on the verge. Maybe there is an opportunity for something great to arise out of 2012...At the same time, I feel as though all these things should flow in a natural way. I see no battles to be fought."

My dear sir, you are correct, we do need to be that change we want to see in the world, do not forget Gandhi's quote there. We the people are conscious co creators of this reality we live in and if we do not change things on a fundamental root core base infinite and microscopic level we are never going to see the light of day past 2012. We got ourselves into this mess by falling asleep and letting the dark have it's way too long and it has near ruined out planet. the oil is gushing and the government doesn't care and the masses are asleep while we write our asses off here on evolver and make change through spores and why are we all doing it? to make a deep change so profound that it will hold like super glue and the world can be righted again.

there are battles to be fought, everyday there are battles. I fight spiritual battles everyday, I am a shaman and I see a mess before my eyes out there in humanity. I see people sick and suffering and not knowing why or how to change because the powers that be have ruined our education system and have befouled the waters of life with their hostess twinkies and bud light beer and meat fests galore. this world has been striped of almost everything sacred and we need to get it back. the battle to be fought is more in our souls than anywhere else, this has to be a consciousness shift and one of mass proportions. we have to get the people happy and healthy again so that we can as a collective mass start life anew and fresh, even if there is much work to be done to clean up the planet, our souls and our hearts can be purified and the light can shine through again.

Daniel has some very valid visions for the future and for what lies directly ahead. there very well may be chaos and confusion and the world may look like it's falling apart at the seams, but we have to hold strong to a new vision, a new world in our minds and hearts. We have to will the transformation as is always at the bottom of the things he writes don't we? how else are we going to get there? god created us so we could do things, and have fun on this very beautiful planet that was created, but man has gone crazy and if we don't bring it back around to the light we are fucked.

What will happen will happen for sure, but we the people do have some say in it, we are far more powerful than most of us realize and we have the power to effect great change, we just have to put it out there tot he universe that we care and that we want that change. if we all just sit around and wait for things to happen then god is going to think we could care less about everything we were given and who knows what will happen. We have to care, we have to make change out in the world and fight the dark, cuz it's out there. Harry Potter is for the most part real. There are powerful forces out there both light and dark and I have seen them my friend and they will try to eat your face off and spit it back at you while laughing in your faceless face. I have done battle with Aleister Crowley and he is still around and I will see him again no doubt. there are battles to be fought and if you doubt then ask any shaman you know what it's like in the spirit world, it's not always pretty.

since we are dealing with nature all the time things will flow in a natural way, but we are a part of nature and so we must be a part of that flow, we have no choice, god flows through our veins as much as she flows through the rivers of the earth.

In Lak'ech Ala K'in

Thanks for a passionate response!

Thank you for a well written and passionate response.

Firstly, I hope I didn't come off as indifferent, that isn't what I was trying to express. Secondly, thank you for reminding me that we have a say as humans.

I started writing a long, thought out answer to what you had said, talking about buddhism, taoism, shamanism, compassion, non-duality, mother-earth and all that stuff.

I was going to describe how I don't feel, in my heart of hearts, a need to subscribe to a battle, as that is not "the way". As I wrote however, I found, what I think is a kind of middle ground. I think it makes sense in both views:

It lies in warrior consciousness, as in Shambalah, a path which I am learning to follow. A warrior isn't a fighter; a warrior doesn't seek out battle. When a warrior delivers a blow, there is no aggression, no fight in this blow. This blow is one of compassion. It is delivered skillfully and purposefully. A warrior defends others as well, but with compassion, love, patience, discipline and skill. A warrior does what is necessary, and understands this.

So I guess this applies to our times. This is a path I choose. I work towards growth, in myself, in others, and in the world around me. I seek to learn warrior discipline.

I haven't gone deep enough yet to have really interacted with many spirits/gods/beings. I've had some feelings of spirits, and dream-like images in my head, but nothing concrete where I can be sure. I think I've met one though; he's the teacher spirit of psychedelic mushrooms, whose right name I don't know. He is ancient and wise and playful. I sensed a connection and a presence, and gained insights from this presence. Does this make sense? I know there are spirits of many kinds. If I ever meet the dark spirits, if I ever have to, I hope to be able to give them as much love and compassion as is in my strength, I hope to recognize their pain, and I hope to give any defensive blows as a compassionate warrior. Does this make sense, from your experience?

Its strange and difficult, working through these ideas with the English language, but I think we're getting somewhere. I hope I was able to convey what I was trying to convey. Thoughts?

I am also torn between this

I am also torn between this dichotomy of "letting go" and of "taking things into your own hands." On the one hand, it is clear that if we sit back and conduct business as usual, our future will not bode too well; on the other hand, it's also true that every time we try to fix something, we end up with some unforeseen consequence, e.g., the industrial revolution was great... but look at all the pollution it has brought us. So I can definitely see both sides of the argument between being passive observers and active participants in the fate of our future. I think the best answer to the question lies in a combination of the two. We can actively 'let go' of the future by taking things into our own hands and returning to nature. If we learn to cooperate with nature, rather than try to master and possess it, we may be able to find a cure to our modern disease.

action is the only reality

Not acting is also an action - being passive and letting other people determine your destiny is a choice you can make. We can see where it leads.

Generally, if people actually want to accomplish something - anything - they have to work for it. Sometimes, they have to fight for it, and band with others to increase the possibility of success.

I believe your attitude is based on a misunderstanding of some Taoist concepts. The best way to act is first to realize "non-action": become the unmoved mover. Fight for what you believe in, yet remain unattached to the outcome. Once you have realized this paradox, you are free to act.

"Will the transformation."-Rilke

 

Who are you....

A man offers you respect and you rudely suggest he is misunderstanding the Tao. I side with the Fox. The Tao is a river of truth, love without condition my friend. We can only change from within. Support for those in " need " is best served when the oustretched hand is seen. There is truly no need, we are the ONE, each of us is the center of our own universe. Our eternal conscious reality is divinely beautiful in this present manifestation, or any we may choose to manifest.
There are so many teachers who gain a flock only to find all present bowing down in ignorance. All who follow have one thing in common, they seek truth from without. Where does your truth come from Daniel? Are you living in fear or love my friend?

Namaste, my brother Daniel, free your mind of illusion...

At the risk of projecting my

At the risk of projecting my own perception of experience onto you...

Are you sure you're not projection your perception of experience onto Daniel?

I could possibly see how he could have omitted the word "is" from his final paragraph, but he did state it was only a belief of possibility. Is it incumbent upon you to presume otherwise if he asserts no more than this personal belief? If you believe his comment to be rude, how is it then that private parties can ever come to mutual understandings?

Personally, I don't perceive Daniels post to be a rude assertion. It makes me wonder if perhaps you may have been fooled by an illusion yourself.

"Seek not abroad, turn back into thyself, for in the inner man dwells the truth..."

Taoists concepts are

Taoists concepts are confusing...

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Thanks!

Thanks Daniel. That sheds some light on this. Maybe I'll return to this later...

Stay the course...

Stay the course, my brother Fox. I loved this blog, the key to changing our world comes from within. There is nothing that " needs " to be done. If the spark of truth is found in your heart identify it as love. Finding this love will ignite a search. The search is simply to find unconditional love. Look in your heart each day for that which is not love, see the illusion of such folly, then replace that thought or feeling with love. When you find only love in your heart, my dear Fox, you will find your universe is magnificantly beautiful.

In Lak' esh, my brother Fox, you need no master...

I have had that problem too

I have had so many ideas that I have watched fail due to me personal disappointments at the almost iniatory stage of the process, a key word there for sure... Does anybody have any helpful tips for how to change from passively accepting fate as its coming, or seems to be coming to actually being aware of things in constant relation to ones action. This seems like a karmic thing. Can anybody suggest LSD for this job from personal experience or anything else?

To Grant

Yes that is a karmic thing, and it has a karmic answer. The answer is to live in the now. To detach ourselves from our past and hypothetical futures - to become the omnipotent viewpoint that can communicate with all our emerging identities - to let go of the man-made concept of time. And more. These are all components to living each moment fully. Read up on it, it's very useful.
Your ideas failed in the initiatory process because you carried the past into the (now former) present. Or, put another way, your ideas failed because you packaged them in former disappointments. If you don't do that, they won't do that. Cause and effect, and what have you.
Let your ideas be your ideas. Let the past be the past. Keep them separate.
Great blog, by the way. Lovely dialogue happening here

there must be alot holding me back from that

I've got some serious gripes with that way questions have been answered, having one foot firmly entrenched in the past woes and the other having stoically advanced into the future or at least hopes related to its infinite possibilities. One thing that struck me about your response though Joanna is the uncanny synchronicity, packaged, if you will, in the phrase "your ideas failed because you packaged them in former disappointments". Being a UPS person I can imagine that the word package to you has an unusually vivid and also versatile meaning. My ideas have all been born of disappointments. Does that mean that I need to "lose my mind" to cut their umbilical cord?

I'm really really sorry if

I'm really really sorry if my answers pissed you off - I just said what came to mind and it made sense to me. I was trying to help with what I said and I am really sorry if it came off rude. Yeah, that word does have an extra visual element to it for me - but I didn't think about it in relation to my job until you pointed it out. Maybe a Freudian slip? =)
And no you don't need to lose your mind in order for your ideas to emanate - and I wasn't trying to say all your ideas are born of disappointments. How could I ever know a thing like that, and how could I ever say that? I respect you and your ideas!
I just noticed a tone of self-defeat when you talked about your ideas - and I hate to see that, and that was what I was talking about when I replied. No offense meant, really and truly
(it's Joanne, btw, with an e =)

no, no no

Joanna, I really appreciate your comments and in no way was I trying to shoot them down or criticice their meaning. I was simply taking the question that you raised to a new level. I am trying to do a number of things right now and if there was any confusion there, it was all my fault. Thanks for helping me realize the implicatory meaning in what I said.
Your evolver,
Grant

Oh good

I was worried, I'll PM you

Experience.

Daniel's experience is, by definition, Daniel's experience.
Yours is... yours!
All efforts at bringing people together to share or create joint experiences are futile at their core.
Some may say this is Taoist or perhaps solipsistic thought or even non-sensical thought.
I think honesty in observation will show that no experience is truly shared.
All of us are having truly unique experiences.
Efforts at togetherness are based, whether hysterically or calmly, on the desire to avoid solitude, which is, of course, fearful in one way or another.
That 'aha!' moment that some have had and many read about where an individual's consciousness grasps the inherent connectedness to all things, the oneness of all things, has no need of group effort.
It is experienced on an individual level.
It is in fact hindered by group efforts.
I can imagine a person reading this and thinking, 'not true, that sex last night was great! He thought so too!' or 'the energy went all around all of us and through us, we all felt it, it was awesome!'.
My statements are not denying these or similar examples. A shared experience here on Earth is simply multi-faceted experience, as is all of life.
Is it the same life we all share? Sure! The repetitive themes we experience in our lives have a function - to reveal to us all our true identity as all-that-is, no matter which role you find yourself in. As it is so big, there are many different scenic viewpoints, apparently one for each consciousness.
So, if you feel like getting politically active, environmentally active, spiritually active... feel free!
But do not feel like something is missing when others do not share your perspective.
And do not feel like a slacker for not following the exhortations of visionaries or that you will miss the Shift through laziness...
It is a futile thing to wish for and, to paraphrase the Buddha, will be the start of your next frustration.
Any urgency existing in the world today can be observed inside one's self, without turning on the evening news or going to a blog.
Any urgency proposed by another to you is simply that person's need for you to confirm their experience.
They are the only one who can provide that confirmation for themself, not you.
Nice conversation!

Peace,
Steve

Refreshing

That was refreshing to read, and it put some questions to rest. Thanks for the insight.

Solid observation..

Very well said Steve.

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